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In Reply to: Death, taxes and... Australian movies. The Black Robe: French? Australian? Never mind. It is great regadless. posted by Victor Khomenko on November 01, 1999 at 11:51:33:
Loved it. Is this on DVD? (no, I still haven't endured the ordeal of going to the American Appliance store to get a DVD player and satalite dish--I just can't bring myself to that "death by one thousand cuts" torture of mass-market retail).Isn't it nice to see "indians" in a realistic setting, behaving as one might given the circumstances of their tenuous hold on life in a savage ,unforgiving land? When I see pictures like "Polka with Porkupines" and Keven Kostmore's depiction of Rousseau's "nobel savage", I have to wonder, why then, didn't the "english" adopt the ways of the plains indians (as Costner does in this movie--you know what would have saved the film?--a laugh track!)? Their lives were so free and easy and clean and friendly and nice. There were no sick, no poor, no suffering of any kind...
I've been up the far NE in the dead of winter--and "Black Robe" didn't tell the half of it. And I've been out on the great plains in the height of summer--not on the interstate--that's bullshit, I mean out on the grasslands out of sight of man's works--alone and on foot, when those deamon super-cells come screaming in from every direction out of a clear blue sky--and there's no way you'ld want to be in a buffalo-skin teepee out on the endless flat prarie with those tornadoes bearing down on you, hidden behind a solid wall of ice falling from 5 miles and driven by winds that seem to come up at you from out of the shaking earth. That's when you know why the indians say everyting is alive--when you hear the earth screaming along with you--your soul abandoned in the most absolute terror--an inconceivable fear. Just being out on the great plains, alone, on a perfectly clear and fine day is enough to make any sane man stark raving mad. And the winters in the NE are colder and crueler than anywhere on the planet--it's some evil combination of the wet winds off the North Atlantic clashing the wicked gales off the polar cap with the jet stream close overhead stirring a malevolent brew that lingers long after the will to live is broken--no wonder here that the Hurons had the well-deserved reputation as the meanist most heartless savages that ever walked the earth. I get a warm feeling just thinking about what fun it would be to torment a captive in that icy, grey frozen hell. You think that's sick? Spend a winter there alone in a safe, warm cabin well-stocked with food and drink and a satalite dish, and if you haven't cut your own throat by Groundhog Day I'll ask you again.Movies about indians don't make any sense at all unless you take the time to tell the tale of the extreme harshness of living nearly naked to all the elements and starving 9 months out of 12-- the wild beasts both human and not praying on every unguarded moment. It's a great story. I wish there were more "Black Robes" to tell it.
Happiness is the B&W movie on a 100" 3:4 screen.
now I feel foolish. I went to Amazon looking for a few books to tide me over the comming winter, and saw that "Robe" is available on wide-screen DVD, and that they have a review section where everyone compares it to "Dances with Wolves". I don't know which is worse: that I think just like everyone else--or that they think like me! Ha Ha Ha Haha hahahahahahah! Wooooooooheeeee..Hummm 100 inch screen huh? hummm. Yep, I guess one of them roll-down movie screens is the way to go, with the ceiling projector. Kinda like a movie. I like that. But you know, I grew up watching the classic B+W movies on the 19" 3:4 tube, and there is something about sitting in a dark room while the snow piles up outside, watching "the Third Man" for the 24th time...those sewers are so nice and clean! Only the Germans would have sewers like that!
***now I feel foolish. I went to Amazon looking for a few books to tide me over the comming winter, and saw that "Robe" is available on wide-screen DVD, and that they have a review section where everyone compares it to "Dances with Wolves". I don't know which is worse: that I think just like everyone else--or that they think like me! Ha Ha Ha Haha hahahahahahah! Wooooooooheeeee..I have to admit that I have not seen the Wolves and have no intention to see it. I can't bring myself up to watching ANYTHING Costner. I can't stand that plastic clown and refuse to even consider his movies, much like those by other windbags - Leonardo, Harrison Ford and many others. Is that movie my loss? So be it. But with literally THOUSANDS of great actors out there, many of their works still unknown to me, I shall not watch scum.
I think the reason many compare the two is simple - people often need a crutch, a hook to hang their hat on.
Speaking of plastic Indians - if you are looking for possibly the best action on large screen, look no further than many movies with Goyko Mitich (sp). Many of those Yugoslavian movies will run circles around typical Hollywod action flicks in terms of their sheer intensity - that's the way I remember them anyway. And you will not find another set of biceps like Goyko's - short of the Terminator.
***Hummm 100 inch screen huh? hummm. Yep, I guess one of them roll-down movie screens is the way to go, with the ceiling projector.That's the ticket, man.
***Kinda like a movie.Yep.
***I like that. But you know, I grew up watching the classic B+W movies on the 19" 3:4 tube,
And you call THAT suffering? I grew up watching the Bicycle Thief on a 6" tube with fifteen people squeezed into a 100 sq. foot room. How's that for one-down-manship?
***and there is something about sitting in a dark room while the snow piles up outside, watching "the Third Man" for the 24th time...those sewers are so nice and clean! Only the Germans would have sewers like that!And for a completely different type of sewer, see the Wajda's Kanal...
I'm not a big costner fan or anything, but I thought dances was a pretty good movie. I'm definitely not a leonardo fan, but much to my suprise i thoroughly enjoyed Titantic although it was predictable - the boat sinks.
The sad ending would be the survival of the totally unsympathetic anti-hero...I didn't see that one either.
I understand your statement about the movie being good, and as I said, it might be my loss. But in the meantime I have gained still much, much more, so I don't regret it for a second. I flatly refuse to support the Hollywood with my hard-earned...
Things might have beed different if not for tremendous wealth of trully great works out there - all available for $1 on Friday night and $2.50 during the week.
I like happy endings (smile). If I want unhappy endings all I have to do is think about my love love life (whine, snivel).Different strokes and all that. I freely admit i like trash - as long as its intelligently written. I was watching the x-files the other day and Scully used the word "obfuscation". Now seriously, how often on network tv or even in movies would you hear a word like that used without making some stupid joke out of it?
***Different strokes and all that. I freely admit i like trash - as long as its intelligently written.I don't understand this. If it is intelligently written, then how can it be trash? Remember, art is NOT in subject, it is in the means. When Rabelais writes about excrements and vomiting, he does that so it is art, however low the subject might be. The same subject in Dumb and Dumber is trash because the whole movie is trash and the writer inept.
Most of what we consider art as opposed to trash, has to do with some pretty mundane subject - maid washing dishes in an old Dutch masterpiece, a prostitute, a bloody battle, a cattle and the dead fish... Most of high literature describes simple people and their simple deads, not Gods doing their godly stuff...
So the subject can shock us, but its mere nature doesn't turn artwork into trash, the lousy means do,
***I was watching the x-files the other day and Scully used the word "obfuscation". Now seriously, how often on network tv or even in movies would you hear a word like that used without making some stupid joke out of it?I guess, that entirely depends on the movie. The whole network TV stuff, unfortunately, is just that, trash.
I didn't mean to lose you :-)
I have a friend who likes to read, but he likes "literature", i.e Stenbeck and Faulkner, etc. While I like Steinbeck, I've never been able to relate ot Faulkner and frankly find his "stream of conciousness" style to be poorly written. By trash i meant I like Clancy, Stephen King, Lethal Weapon (I), Clint Eastwood movies (except the spaghetti westerns which are truly excreble), John Wayne, comedies such as "Paint Your wagon" (one of my all timne favorites), etc. IOW stuff that's not "high brow" or "great literature". OTOH, stupidity doesn't impress me.
curses!
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