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• Re: Getting sick and tired of M - Sattler in Melbourne 18:08:08 05/06/02 (8)
  In Reply to: Getting sick and tired of M posted by Victor Khomenko on May 06, 2002 at 09:50:28:

  "Is this purely the American phenomena? Seems to be."

  Lets see - I'm in Australia, hence the 'Melbourne' in my handle. So that would be a No.

  "If I recall corectly, every time it is mentioned it is by an American - is that true?"

  Apparently not.

  "How come M surfaces at least once every two months?"

  I don't know - does it? I just saw the film recently and liked it. Pardon me.

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  • Well said mate, but try not to be too hard on ol' Victor, ... - AuPh 22:26:57 05/06/02 (7)
    In Reply to: Re: Getting sick and tired of M posted by Sattler in Melbourne on May 06, 2002 at 18:08:08:

    ... he can't help coming across as a cinema snob occasionally where foreign films are concerned. I have the impression, rightly or wrongly, that he mostly likes foreign films few people have ever heard of while loathing most Hollywood films; I'm a bit surprised by his attitude regarding this German classic though. Oh well, in spite of what may appear to be crankiness, he means well. :o)

    BTW, I'm with you: "M" is one heck of a flick and Fritz Lang is an excellent director; I'd wager that your praise of the film was well received by most folks around here.

    G'day,
    Audiophilander of Texas
    
    

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    • Re: Well said mate, but try not to be too hard on ol' Victor, ... - Victor Khomenko 04:59:24 05/07/02 (0)
      In Reply to: Well said mate, but try not to be too hard on ol' Victor, ... posted by AuPh on May 06, 2002 at 22:26:57:

      ***I have the impression, rightly or wrongly, that he mostly likes foreign films few people have ever heard of

      He-he..., that is an interesting point! Why do you think most people have never heard of most good films that are basically sitting in the plain view, on the shelf?

      This is to large degree related to the M subject - as I said, there are hundreds or thousands of good films, all available, and yet we keep talking about the same, the same, the same, the same few over and over and over and over again?

      ***while loathing most Hollywood films;

      That one is true.... sigh... but I loath all bad films, damn, I even dumped on one French film lately - did you miss it?

      
      ***I'm a bit surprised by his attitude regarding this German classic though.

      I think probably because you jumped on your keyboard too fast. Every time it came up I gave it the highest praise, I just finally got tired. So just what is my attitude towards the M? I mean besides its pesky nature on this forum?

      ***Oh well, in spite of what may appear to be crankiness, he means well. :o)

      I think you got that one right, thank you.
      

      
      
      
      

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    • Re: Well said mate, but try not to be too hard on ol' Victor, ... - Sattler in Melbourne 23:31:16 05/06/02 (5)
      In Reply to: Well said mate, but try not to be too hard on ol' Victor, ... posted by AuPh on May 06, 2002 at 22:26:57:

      Hi Audiophilander (cool handle, BTW)

      Glancing over the Film Asylum, 'ol Victor does seem to appear a lot. And loudly, and at length. I just get grumpy about people who make those kind of generalisations.

      Where are you in Texas? I may be hitting Dallas/Fort Worth soon - know any good bars?

      Cheers,

      Sattler.

      PS: Liked your set-up/music choice in 'Inmate System'. Excellent stuff.
      
      

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      • Arlington, Texas... - AuPh 09:05:37 05/07/02 (0)
        In Reply to: Re: Well said mate, but try not to be too hard on ol' Victor, ... posted by Sattler in Melbourne on May 06, 2002 at 23:31:16:

        ... between Big D and Ft. Worth.

        Yep, I know a few great bars in D/FW, but my wife is probably better at giving directions to get there (hee, hee, she usually ends up "designated driver" on those rare occasions when we travel any distance to a tavern). Locally (Arlington proper), we have the "Flying Saucer." It's an area sport's bar chain which has about the best selection of brews from around the world I've found in the Metroplex. It can be a bit noisy at times, but I do like the selection. We have one in Arlington right off of Interstate 30 at Collins just past Lincoln Square Shopping Center.

        > > > Liked your set-up/music choice in 'Inmate System'. Excellent stuff." < < <

        Thanks! You should talk stereo with Victor sometime too; he's very modest about his involvement in high-end stereo, but he's more than just a consumer (i.e., since you're new to the forum and appreciate great gear you may want to pick his brain a bit about tubes). Victor's animated icon is a clue. ;^)

        BTW, let me know when you're going to be in the area; perhaps the wife and I can meet you for a few pints.

        Cheers,
        Audiophilander

        
        
        

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      • Re: Well said mate, but try not to be too hard on ol' Victor, ... - Victor Khomenko 05:08:27 05/07/02 (3)
        In Reply to: Re: Well said mate, but try not to be too hard on ol' Victor, ... posted by Sattler in Melbourne on May 06, 2002 at 23:31:16:

        Hey, Sattler, I guess you missed most of the jest. My problem here is perhaps that I see most of the gang as old buddies, and we all know each other, so many discussions are the continuations of the previous ones. I agree that might not be the most fair to someone new. So when I address AuPh, for instance, I don't his for his name, I simply smack him on the back real hard. He does the same to me. So don't hold it back.

        So I am not sure what generalization you mean, as we were only discussing the M, and if you are curious - remember, you can always do a search on "M" and get many reactions that were posted here before... including my basically almost overboard ones. I think I must have praised it like ten times before.

        But seriously, if we had discusisons of Bergman, Fellini, Bunuel, Fassbinder, Tarkovsky, Herzog, Kubrick, Visconti, Wenders, Goddard, and many others who AuPh consider "obscure" (here we go!) with anything approaching the frequency of M I would feel somewhat better - wouldn't you?
        

        
        
        
        

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        • Re: Well said mate, but try not to be too hard on ol' Victor, ... - Sattler in Melbourne 07:52:21 05/07/02 (2)
          In Reply to: Re: Well said mate, but try not to be too hard on ol' Victor, ... posted by Victor Khomenko on May 07, 2002 at 05:08:27:

          Fair enough - I am new to the board, didn't know M had been the subject of ad nauseum discussion. As you say, we all probably have different ideas about what constitutes 'obscure' movies - I'll bet you could probably site some REAL unknowns if required. Some 70's Russian cinema? Some good films from Iran latley.

          The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser is probably my favorite Herzog, Fitzcaraldo a close second. Saw a good program on the life of Rainer Werner Fassbinder last Sunday night - he didn't make particularly good films (IMHO) but man, the guy sure could binge.

          Cheers,

          Sattler

          
          
          

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          • The obscure charm of obscurity - Victor Khomenko 08:04:49 05/07/02 (1)
            In Reply to: Re: Well said mate, but try not to be too hard on ol' Victor, ... posted by Sattler in Melbourne on May 07, 2002 at 07:52:21:

            The truth is - most of good classical or just good films are only "obscure" because someone has no inclination to find them. They are out there in force, even the mainstream places like the Amazon are swarming with them. One doesn't even have to pay much - the Used items on Amazon can be had for $7 to $12 or so. There are other places for used tapes too.

            Don't recall seeing ANY Iranian films, sorry.

            Have not seen the Enigma either, not a great fan of Herzog in general. Perhaps should revisit him.

            Fassbinder is more to my taste, and also the ones he has written: for instance "Water Drops on Burning Rocks" is one of my all-time favorites.
            

            
            
            
            

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            • Used "M" on Amazon for ten bucks. - Victor Khomenko 08:08:42 05/07/02 (0)
              In Reply to: The obscure charm of obscurity posted by Victor Khomenko on May 07, 2002 at 08:04:49:

              OK, OK, plus shipping...
              

              
              
              
              

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• Le voleur de bicyclette.... - patrickU 11:04:38 05/06/02 (5)
  In Reply to: Getting sick and tired of M posted by Victor Khomenko on May 06, 2002 at 09:50:28:

  If you are a father..the most touching one..the most moving one...the ONE that go into you and torture you..what a movie...
  
  

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  • Ladri di biciclette (nt) - Alex Yakovlev 13:00:59 05/06/02 (0)
    In Reply to: Le voleur de bicyclette.... posted by patrickU on May 06, 2002 at 11:04:38:

    
    
    

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  • The Bicycle Thief - Victor Khomenko 11:14:45 05/06/02 (3)
    In Reply to: Le voleur de bicyclette.... posted by patrickU on May 06, 2002 at 11:04:38:

    An unquestionable classis, one of the best films ever made. It is stronger overal than M, if such comparissons are not too silly. M loses a lot if considered outside its time period, the Bicycle Thief doesn't lose one bit, I think.

    When I wrote my paragraph I thought about it, but decided that I already mentioned it here too many times. So thank you for bringing it up.
    

    
    
    
    

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    • M - patrickU 11:27:00 05/06/02 (2)
      In Reply to: The Bicycle Thief posted by Victor Khomenko on May 06, 2002 at 11:14:45:

      has is strong moments too...But the comparison is too silly...
      To insist on M ,as I do not know if it had be discuss to that extend,but this film is very important to understand the mounting nazism.
      But The B. thieve,oh,boy, what a picture...The very very good film you have to take a lots of look..but the expectionnal you have to see only one time maybe two..they are so strong...this dose is enough for a life time...oh, boy what a picture !
      We have faith again in the human nature,after this.
      Thank you,creator.
      
      

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      • Re: M - Victor Khomenko 11:35:02 05/06/02 (1)
        In Reply to: M posted by patrickU on May 06, 2002 at 11:27:00:

        There are undeniable parallels between the ending of the Thief and Masina's smile in Cabiria... The subtle smiles in the middle of things falling apart - where do those Italians get their inner strength?
        

        
        
        
        

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        • Re: M - patrickU 11:51:30 05/06/02 (0)
          In Reply to: Re: M posted by Victor Khomenko on May 06, 2002 at 11:35:02:

          le trait d´ union is -humanity -
          The deep understanding of our condition-the smile of Mona with her hands-Zorba The Greek alias A. Quinn who did not have looking down the alley to La Strada.
          Woman - kid or kid - woman-Who cares.
          Thank you Fellini.
          
          

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