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In Reply to: But of course I will! posted by Alex Yakovlev on May 16, 2002 at 05:28:40:
I am sorry, Alex, but I feel even the Gladiator is better and more entertaining than any of the SW films.If I had to choose just between the two, I would not even think.
Now, if someone made a bootleg tape with just close-ups of Natalie, I would gladly pay few bucks for that.
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Vic,I'll admit to being a Star Wars nut, but my affection for the series took a major nose dive after Phantom Menace which was a horrible film for reasons too numerous to list.
The crowd last night was made up of the 30+ generation and man do we look old. Not as old as Yoda but getting there. I am so happy that my wife is still in her twenties.
I didn't hate Episode II, but to say that it had major faults would be an understatement.
1. Why does Lucas pretend to know how to create anything resembling a coherent story? He's not a good director (regardless of the billions of shekels) and he clearly hates working with real actors. The script was pathetic and I mean "Ernest goes to Camp" pathetic.
2. The final battle where Yoda opens up a can of Corellian whoop-ass is fun but the digital Yoda just doesn't cut it. After all of these years, I still like the cumbersome looking costumes from the original trilogy.
3. Hadyn (anakin) can't act and he's so bad in a love scene, that I would rather see Ron Jeremy in the role than him.
4. Other than Obi-Wan, R2-D2, and C-3PO...I can't relate to any of the characters and found them boring as hell.
Anything good?
I like the Jango/Boba Fett angle. Other than the mighty Chewbacca, Boba Fett was the single most interesting character from the original trilogy and it was cool to get some insight into his origins.
Natalie Portman is a major hottie and looking better by the hour.
Lucas' horrible descent over to the dark side is nearly complete. Only one more bad film to suffer through.
Wait a week or two before running out to see this film.
Tosh Fett
Actually many of the objections to Lucas' script-writing abilities could have been raised about the first film. I remember seeing an interview with Carrie Fisher where she complained about how difficult it was to deliver some of the lines without breaking up into inappropriate laughter.Clunky as some of the dialog was, at least the original told the story through the characters who by accident or by dint of the personalities of the actors portraying them, were people whom we could relate to.
There was no relationship between the characters that was apparent in TPM, and the story did not appear to be told through the characters. They were just kind of "there."
The special effects in the original were spectacular, compared to what had been seen before; and the film overwhelmed and delighted audiences with the richness of its inventiveness -- the creatures, the droids, etc.
While TPM showed effects on a level they were not impressive in their inventiveness -- they were impressive in that they showed it was possible to produce effects previously available only in cartoons and to replicate digitally scenes that took thousands of extras in the heyday of the Hollywood spectaculars like Ben-Hur and Spartacus.
Bruce,I was 7 when Star Wars came out and it's pathetic to admit that I know every single line from IV,V, VI.
Empire was clearly the best film as it had little things such as a plot, script by someone who understands that a story needs to develop, character development, and g-d forbid tension!
I was so shocked (okay, I kinda expected it) when Vader and Luke battled it out and Vader said...
"Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father..."
"He told me enough...he told me you killed him."
"No Luke...I am your father."
The audience went wild.
There wasn't one line in AOTC that made anyone jump or gasp.
When Yoda gets all the best lines, you know the script had to suck...but then again I always liked Frank OZ.
Tosh Fett
As long as we are confessing, when the original Star Wars movie came out, I was a law student and my wife was the news director of the local TV station in Charlottesville (with a staff of 2). The same people who owned the TV station, owned one of the movie theatres in town. As a benefit, they supplied passes to the theater to the station's employees and their spouses.Guess which theater was showing "Star Wars"?
Guess how many times my wife and I saw Star Wars -- 'cause I can't remember.
Somebody gave me the package of the 3 on VHS tape when they were released as such in the 1980s, so I've re-run them a number of times.
Agree with you that TESB is the most "adult" of the initial three, with a real script, real dialogue and real direction. But, I recall, at the time the buzz was that there was some sense of disappointment in the film, because it didn't meet expectations created by the first movie.
However, a hilarious version that you must see if you ever have the chance is the stage production called "Star Wars in 60 Minutes." It is a Lucas-authorized stage production that manages to tell the entire story of the first 3 films in 60 minutes by capturing snippets of dialogue from each film. USC Drama students (of which my daughter is one) put the show one every year when they participate in the Edinburgh, Scotland "Fringe Festival." They also performed it in Paris last year. Running several shows a day for several weeks, it packed the house and had people ROTFLTAO. The students do their best to imitate the voices of the actors from the movies. I know it's hard to imagine; you just have to see it.
Re: the posts below. Glad to hear that your sister is improving, and I hope the "medical practioners" who are responsible for this debacle are, to put it gently, "relieved of duty."
How's little sis doing? Recovering?
Vic,I appreciate the concern. She's out of the hospital and recovering at home. She has the bag and needs to gain a minimum of 20 pounds before she can eat certain foods.
It was very touch and go for the first 3 days after the operation, as they had to go back and operate again.
My parents have aged about 50 years and my Mother is swearing at everyone within 20 feet.
The biopsy results are due back anyday in regard to the Crohn's that never existed.
Tosh
Take a good care of her, and tell her we are sending our regards.My wife is asking about her and worried - you know the Jewish wives...
For me any SW movie is continuation of something beautiful and romantic. Gladiator on the other hand (for me) is representation of Hollywood at its worst.
As for Natalie - she has pretty face but she is no Audrey.
I was on the phone ordering some glass... woman receptionist was called Audrey... beautiful images kept rolling in front of my eyes. She sounded seductive, and price was right.I went to pick up my order a couple of days later. There was a fat and ugly lady in the office, dressed like she lived all her life in Delaware. The beautiful images faded away.
The power of the name!
SW? Maybe should not tell you what I really think about it. But I don't find them "bad". A Horse Whisperer was BAD film. SW is in the special category.
I have this "name thing", too. I used to have a theory that only beautiful women can be called Audrey or Vivien. :)
As for the SW saga - there are Movies and there are movies. SW is a movie, so I don't judge it by the same standards I do say with Shindler's List or Roman Holiday.
Am I going to see you in NY? I am coming Thursday afternoon and stay at Hilton untill Saturday.
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