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In Reply to: suspending logic, or why so picky? posted by TA on June 26, 2002 at 17:45:56:

Suspension of disbelief is one thing and there's nothing wrong with kiddies films like Predator if you have trouble escaping adolescence and you haven't quite worked out why you like seing Arnie's body so much.
When a "serious" film like Minority Report has pretensions to being a "serious" film which adults can enjoy, then there is no reason to expect you have to suspend logic as well as disbelief.
As usual, a gunshot resolves the film, and they all lived happily ever after.

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Good points; ... - Audiophilander 21:07:46 06/26/02 (3)
while I don't quite consider Predator a kiddie film (i.e., I prefer to think of action films like Predator as popcorn movies), you are dead-on about Minority Report being promoted as a more serious "think" film. Think films are designed to be analyzed and dissected for content and that's why the Director has to be much more meticulous about continuity, accuracy of science, feasability of the premise, believability of characters, and logic of the actions undertaken. IMHO, the suspension of disbelief is PARAMOUNT ...okay, in this case, Dreamworks! :o)
AuPh
- Some responses ... - TA 08:30:44 06/27/02 (2)
  Logical holes may make a story less entertaining to watch, but adding a serious message doesn't mean that the movie should be held to a more rigorous standard than a popcorn film. That is, you wouldn't dissect the Minority Report storyboard in a serious discussion about whether it's good public policy to prevent crime before it happens.
  I think that for a film like Minority Report, the message is serious, but the story is a fairy tale through which we draw that message. Popular adult entertainment is still fairy tales. It's just a launching pad for our thinking about the issues, and the storyteller can bend the rules to get to that goal. Else you'd just go to an academic lecture instead.
  Recently A Beautiful Mind has been criticized for its historical inaccuracies, but learning the changes and omissions does not make it a lesser film.
  On Law and Order the defendant takes the witness stand in every episode. This is apparently very, very rare in real-life trials. Does knowing this make the show worse for you the next time you watch? Yet that unrealistic plot point (the "gunshot" as you call it) is required to complete the confrontation in the story, to complete the moral point of the story.
  What differentiates a good storyteller from a bad one may be the way they can slip these things by you in telling the fairy tale. A film like Dancer in the Dark, for example, bends the rules of logic as far as possible without becoming comedy, yet the director manages to make you feel strongly for the characters in the process.
  - Your points are well taken, but... - Audiophilander 09:50:14 06/27/02 (1)
    ... it doesn't alter the fact that suspension of disbelief requires an active diligence on the part of the Director to make his story "bulletproof." The best crafted movies, regardless of philosophical content, respect the audiences intelligence by not pandering to emotions to cover weak plot points. This is why I feel that Spielberg is all too frequently a sloppy Director; that doesn't mean that I don't love many of his films, but there is a frustrating tendency on his part to rely on gut level suspense to carry the day in most of the films he directs.
    BTW, don't get me started on Ron Howard; his willingness to play it safe compromises his artistry. A Beautiful Mind is an excellent film that effectively captures for the average viewer what it must be like to suffer with severe pschizophrenia, but it could've been so much better and so much RICHER with a little less political correctness and a lot more historical/biographical accuracy. Unfortunately, Ron Howard isn't a very visionary Director, he has always been politely mainstream and will apparently always be a solely commercially motivated filmmaker. The problem with treating bigraphical material as fodder for political correctness is that it can become an exercise in revisionism that's no better than propaganda.
    AuPh
    - Interesting review of "A Beautiful Mind" at.... - AudioHead 07:31:30 07/03/02 (0)
      www.quantonics.com - AH

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