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In Reply to: oh yea, that sounds MUCH less silly. posted by the killer piglet on August 23, 2002 at 14:30:28:

...well, whatever. Again you persist in being obtuse. It is *said* so clearly, you'd think it was unmissable. Except I had missed it, because the *music* distracts you from the real proceedings.
It amuses me to think how you people won't listen for yourselves. Although come to think, isn't that why audio reviews are so popular?
clarkl

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Dammit, Clark!!!!!! - darkmoebius 12:20:22 09/04/02 (0)
Won't you please point out the specific passage on Rumors? I really don't want to waste the time listening to that hole forsaken album(actually liked it at the time) just so I can I an say "Ahhhhh".
Lord knows, I may not find it on the first pass and have to go through multiple listenings. Eleven songs and 41 minutes. That is not likely to happen.
So Clarke, throw us a bone?
Well if the music "distracts you"..... - Mrs. Piggy 13:12:17 08/24/02 (8)
wouldn't that mean the message is HIDDEN in the music, hence subliminal.
mp
- "HIDDEN in the music, hence subliminal." - clarkjohnsen 08:36:36 08/26/02 (7)
  No! Subliminal means beneath the threshold of conscious perception. The words here are hidden only in the sense that the music *distracts* you from paying close attention. As said, they are spoken quite clearly. Very clever satanists!
  clark
  - No exactly; subliminal means below the threshold of consciousness OR apprehension. - Audiophilander 13:02:36 08/26/02 (6)
    If you want to be accurate, the operative word in the context of this exchange is probably apprehension. When something is below one's apprehension it doesn't necessarily mean that it's beneath the "threshold of conscious perception" as you phrased it. To the contrary, it might just be below that individual's audible perception or understanding. In other words, the mere presence of something perceived as HIDDEN (i.e., ear of the beholder) based upon the differences between extraneous and intrinsic sounds, words, or whatever may be sufficient reason to describe it as subliminal.
    Glad to clear that up for you, Clark! ;^)
    AuPh
    - OK, as in a live opera... - clarkjohnsen 08:32:42 08/27/02 (5)
      ...(if you've ever heard one), especially given in English, the words may not be clear, and be covered somewhat by the orchestra, but *if you know them* they are perfectly clear.
      clark
      - Let me put this another way... - Audiophilander 14:45:42 08/28/02 (4)
        
        In Reply to: OK, as in a live opera... posted by clarkjohnsen on August 27, 2002 at 08:32:42:
        
        ... (more simply) so that it might be clearer for you:
        If the lyrics you *know* are the same ones written by the music's authors and recorded exactly as published, then the music, whether heard clearly or not, doesn't have subliminal content. OTOH, if the lyric content in a live or recorded performance varies from the published lines leaving it's message somewhat veiled except to those listening for it, then the music may accurately be described as having subliminal content.
        AuPh
        
        I NEVER USED THE WORD "SUBLIMINAL". THAT WAS *YOU*! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:43:26 08/29/02 (3)
        
        In Reply to: Let me put this another way... posted by Audiophilander on August 28, 2002 at 14:45:42:
        
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        Thank you for that Monty Python Moment -t - The Killer Piglet 17:47:59 08/30/02 (0)
        
        In Reply to: I NEVER USED THE WORD "SUBLIMINAL". THAT WAS *YOU*! nt posted by clarkjohnsen on August 29, 2002 at 08:43:26:
        
        KP
        
        I'm beginning to think you are just playing with us, no one is that thick!-nt - Mrs. Piggy 15:04:05 08/29/02 (1)
        
        In Reply to: I NEVER USED THE WORD "SUBLIMINAL". THAT WAS *YOU*! nt posted by clarkjohnsen on August 29, 2002 at 08:43:26:
        
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        Mrs. Piggy, I think Clark lost it when he resorted to CAPITAL punishment, ... - Audiophilander 06:04:31 08/30/02 (0)
        
        In Reply to: I'm beginning to think you are just playing with us, no one is that thick!-nt posted by Mrs. Piggy on August 29, 2002 at 15:04:05:
        
        ... but at least Dr. Errol Morris would be impressed! ;^)
        AuPh :o)

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