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In Reply to: Back to the future..Highly manipulative..... posted by patricku on October 04, 2002 at 09:56:38:
Product placement...if that's what you're talking about...in motion pictures, has been going on for decades..in the US, at least. It's socially acceptable to shilled to, every moment of our waking lives.What on/in the DVD concerns you, so much ?
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The insensible way it was done in this picture.
Ford Motor Co. have provided cars to the film industry from the very beginning, and still do, to get precisely that type of product exposure. As Mike says, we're bombarded with this type of promotion constantly, it's not like you can switch it off
Don't see the harm m'self
Eric
Tokyo
I know...I know. What I just wanted to point out was the INSISTANCE of the camera...THAT is not usual !
As, at the time they were " īhigh profile toys " ( The JVC and all ) The spectator was just overhelmed ..and did not see the grotesque of this publicity...now you can clearly..And that do NO good to this movie...
In all of it's glorious, absurd, capitalist vulgarity, the film series succeeds because we can't help but be entertained by it all!Which is more one can say, sometimes, about some Art-sy Fart-sy PURRRRRRRRRE cinema, of great pithy renown, which I can think of.
I mean...how many long, turgid, borrrrrrring "cinema masterpieces", can one take ? For me there is a limit.
For every "Aguirre...Wrath of God" that I view and, especially, purchase, I have contribute to the national economy, and pick up a Junk Film, that's not quite "junk", but a film that has to be enjoyed on a purely visceral level.
That's why Ed Wood, Roger Corman, The Japanese "Godzilla" series, "Grand Theft Auto", Jackie Chan, and John Waters were "created"...to be enjoyed not agonized-analyzed to Death, right ?
Ever hear of the expression..."it's so bad, it's good". That's what I mean!
Come on...be truthful...what are YOUR guilty pleasures in Film ?
Ever hear of the expression..."it's so bad, it's good".Yes, I use the expression. Mediocrity is just downright boring. I find that I'm transported by really great films, and perversely entertained by ones that are ridiculously bad. The only bad ones that are not entertaining to me in some way are the ones that are also morally repulsive.
What is morally repulsive ?
For me, it's something devoid of any redeeming value whatsoever. There are not many films like this, and it's totally subjective, to be fair, but it's a film that I would rate zero stars on a 4-star scale.
It had not much to do with films...
There is NO guilty pleasure, ( For movie only, or do you want to go further ? )...
And everyone has the right for his own stupidity, is it not?
With age, there are lesser & lesser room for " junk food " as time tend to pass quickly, you concentrate on what in your eyes, is most important.
If I think about, I may find some...let me just find out..Hum...Maybe comedies like " French kisses " or Harry & Sally, who I still cherish....Grumpy old men..
Well, too bad I canīt offer you more...At the moment !
No offense...but I feel, to you, Film is Total War !You need to loosen up a little !
Do not misunderstood me now....( Thanks Eric )
Sorry, but you totally got it wrong...
Reread it please...with humor and not taken it personnaly...
Bad Taste; Peter Jackson
Red Rock West; Nick Cage, Lara Flynn Boyle, Dennis Hopper
Two Lane Blacktop; Dennis Wilson, James Taylor, Warren Oates
Prosperos Books; Peter Greenaway
The Hit; John Hurt, Tim Roth, Terrence Stamp
The Limey; Terrence Stamp, Barry Newman, Joe Dallesandro, Pete Fonda
Suspiria; Dario Argento
Silverado; Kevin Kline, Scott Glenn, etc.
Withnail and I; Richard E. Grant, Paul McGann
Backbeat; Stephen Dorff
Minbo No Onna; Itami Juzo
The Swimmer; Burt Lancaster
Thief; Michael Mann, James Caan, Tuesday Weld, Robert Prosky
Britannia Hospital; Lindsay Anderson
Glory; Edward Zwick
Bedazzled; Blake Edwards, Peter Cook, Dudley Moore, Raquel Welch
The Party; " " " " " ", Peter Sellers, Claudine Longet
Rogue Male; Peter O'Toole
Breaker Morant; Edward Woodward
Zabriskie Point; Antonioni, Mark Frechette,Daria HalprinWoops, they're almost getting GOOD, I better stop...
Eric
Tokyo
why one need feel "guilt" in viewing "Breaker Morant" with "pleasure?" It is a spectacular movie with more than a couple solid, even stellar, performances. This must have been a humorous insertion?
"Stellar" is certainly an appropriate description for Breaker Morant, sorry but I'm a bit of a stirrer and just wanted to see if that got any bites(!)
Agreed, it's a definite anomaly in my listing
Eric
Tokyo
The Limey had quite nice critics...So I bought it...One of the MOST forgetable film EVER...Too bad.
Quite a few of the characters in this film were big box office in the 70's and seeing them as "old farts" in the Limey was a bit of a hoot...
I saw it on a 'plane so at least it cost nothing; while I really didn't like the fact that so much of the story was told in flashback, otherwise I kinda liked it "somewhat guiltily" as with all of my list, those films are pretty much all fatally flawed but I like 'em anyway
Eric
Tokyo*
Undesrtand lost somehow your heart but not your brain...Or the other way around..
I could tell the same,as the playwright and the actors...were..Terrible...For me....
My real guilty pleasure, I found out is, what I gonna look tonight is...My Fair Lady...Ah! this Audrey !
And THAT is REAL guilt. No partying tonight.
My wife is away, my friends will wait for me...
I feel terribly guilty.
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