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I'm thinking of "Two Moon Junction",...Sherilyn Fenn, Richard Tyson or "The Unbearable Lightness of Being" Juliette Binoche, Lena Olin, Daniel Day Lewis, or "Play it Again Sam" Woody Allen, Diane Keaton, any other pretenders to the throne?
Eric
Tokyo
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Was that just an opinion? ;-)Ted
I might be stoned for saying this,
but I didn't find Casablanca as intruiging as the other Bogart classics:
My favorites
Treasure of the Sierra Madre
Key Largo
The big sleepbut hubby says it's one of the best pictures of all time.
Piano inspires me greatly as a romantic love story.mp
while a great film, the Piano isn't exactly about love or romance. The love seems to be a result of the situation, in the same type of love between Nic Cage and Elizabeth Shue in Leaving Las Vegas. Her intense love for the piano and the native looks like it is an outburst of some other source of emotion. Loneliness is probably the hiding theme.
doesn't mean it doesn't count. That is how all relationships are formed.She sacrificed her PIANO for her love, knowingly.
She sacrificed her finger, unknowingly, for love.The whole film explored the idea of chemestry and natural attraction. There was nothing horrible about her chosen partner, aside from a little stiffness, especially considering the era. He lacked the passion she needed to commit herself emotionally to him.
It is primarily a love story.
mp
I was hesitant to list it as it is not conventionally viewed as a romance. But is not true love letting the bird go, as the saying goes?Also this film has got to have the award for generating the most pop-culture phrases.
Rob
to be the ultimate love story.
You make popcorn, cup of hot cocoa and pull out
a box of tissues.Kind of like Romeo and Juliet. Love for the sake of love. Real romance.
:o)
mp
I already said, IMHO!
Victor,Would that be In My Horny Opinion ?
I don't think there's anything romantic about taking a woman out on a date to see this film- in fact, it's probably a good way to get your face slapped in public.
er...I'm guessing of course.
(ahem)
Point One: "In The Realm Of The Senses" has hardcore sex and is about an obsessive relationship. Madonna is quoted on the DVD cover saying that this film turns her on because it's real.Point Two: Victor took his mother-in-law to see it. See link below.
...should have put twenty smileys in that post. I thought the IMHO was enough.... :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))Not to be confused with the Realm of Passion... boooooooooring....
enough attention. Is this film really different?mp
directs and it's an eminently forgettable and misguided attempt at Japanese eroticism, (phrase I will no longer say with regard to "opinion of ones-self" deleted) This films sole claim to fame is a castration scene that rocketed Ms. Oshima to a stardom only equalled thereafter by a certain Ms. Bobbett. (Read: Female director + castration scene = Fame) Don't bother, it's not worth the video rental fee, and certainly not worth your time
There are far better Japanese films, any Itami Juzo film is far more entertaining (ditto phrase delete)
Eric
Tokyo
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I'll visit my local video stores and hunt out those titles, much appreciate the suggestions from everyone!
Eric
Tokyo
Nowhere To Hide. South Korean film that is hard to describe. I laughed a lot. This action was incredible. And, it makes you never want to be picked up by the South Korean police for any reason. 8^) It's fun and fanciful with grit.
"Fun and fanciful with grit" sounds just like living in Seoul!
"Shuri" and "JSA" (Joint Security Area) being the best Asian films I've seen this year
How did the Director know Korea would win at soccer?
Thanks for the Heads Up on that one, I'll check it out
"Days Of Being Wild" is another winner
Eric
Tokyo
this thing about "humble opinion"; do you think humility is the norm
here? What's wrong with just IMO? I have no beef if someone is
truly humble and wants to express that via a post, however, as long
as it doesn't reek of pretentiousness. - AH
To me, using "IMHO" to signify humility is a way of saying your opinion is yours alone, and others may not agree with your viewpoint. It's equivalent to saying "This is what I think, but you may not agree with it.""IMO" is a stronger statement, meaning you think your opinion carries more weight than IMHO. It's more emphatic, less humble. In Net jargon it simply means "I think that", but using fewer characters.
Some people go even farther, using "IMNSHO" for not-so-humble opinions. Interestingly, this also signifies that you may not agree.
So, is everything we post an opinion? Of course not. "Casablanca is one of the best films of all time" is an opinion. "Casablanca is regarded as one of the best films of all time" is a fact. To say that eight out of ten critics liked the new Jackie Chan movie is likewise a statement of fact. It does not reflect the opinion of the writer.
I think, therefore I am using "IMO" and "IMHO" to convey my thoughts succinctly, and to save web space for monographs on humility.
Ted
The reader can CLEARLY distinguish these things for themselves:"Casablanca is one of the best films of all time" is an opinion.
Absolutely it is an opinion and one doesn't really need to tag it with IMO."Casablanca is regarded as one of the best films of all time" is a fact. Could be a fact...comes under the category of true enough, for me, it does match my perception, so I will consider it factual. Again no tag is really needed. Nothing here is ambiguous.
mp
Casablanca? Appears that she responded to gware's query with a
statement of fact, emphatically I might add. - AH
Take the following from her post, as I just did:"I love it! IMO, it's one of the funniest romantic comedies;o)"
versus
"I love it! It's one of the funniest romantic comedies ever."To me, the first statement is clear, but the second is ambiguous. It begs the question, "Says who?" Is this your opinion or is it to be taken as fact (i.e., a generally accepted notion)?
So I think I'll continue to use "IMO".
Ted
to the listener."says who?"...you answered your own question...says "I" (implies no one other than yourself.
but I understand where you are coming from, you feel a greater need to distinguish things.
mp
nt
who was it said that "Humility is the preserve of the truly Great"?
For us mere mortals IMO is indeed more fitting
Eric
Tokyo
expressing our very own opinion!
Now if I was speaking for my sister or a friend, I would want to say, in my friend's opinion.Take a look at this:
"I love it! IMO, it's one of the funniest romantic comedies;o)"
versus
"I love it! it's one of the funniest romantic comedies ever."Maybe we need a disclaimer that everyone will from this day forth supply only their own opinion UNLESS otherwise noted.
IMO of course :o)
mp
Yes, now you mention it using IMO in reference to ones self is a redundancy. Still, it seems to be in quite common usage, or is that mis-usage? Do you think it's a byproduct of the Internet?
Eric
Tokyo*
Eric, I'm not one for intricacies of language, but seems to me that
when someone uses IMO or JMO, they are often attempting to delineate
opinionated statements from factual statements for reader or listener clarification? Often posts or
conversations, etc. are comprised of an admixture of fact and
opinion, don't you think? I think this is not confined to just
the Net, but is perhaps highlighted via it since the Net provides
unprecedented communication twixt so many people. - AH
That's why I use it, just so people know it's not a true fact. Actually, for the internet, boards in particular, IMO should be the default, and facts should be prefaced by an acronym, would be much less work for everybody.
opinion, unless they note it is someone else's opinion. Even experts can give an expert opinion. It is up to the listener or reader to decide if that opinion CONTAINS facts or fluff for that matter. To the listener beware. That is why it is a good idea not believe everything you read or hear.:o)mp
but I agree, it is usually apparent for most *reasonably intelligent* people how to put info into context, and the way it's offered into context. However, not even close to everybody, in general, can do this. If they could, we would not have the types of mass advertising we do, and a lot more people would find much of it offensive. For instance, anybody anywhere who ever asks a "what's the best xxx?" type question is probably incapable of doing it, IMO (is IMO allowed in THIS context?). They do believe this question actually has a factual answer that is absolute truth. One of my favorite articles ever was Isaac Asimov's about the 9 different types of truth.If you believe something to the core of your being, and you state it as fact, but you are in actuality incorrect, are you being untruthful? Most considerate people would probably say you're not, yet you would be giving bad/false information. People who do that are tough to deal with, and are well over-represented on the internet. IMO, of course!
on this forum board. You are talking to some pretty intelligent folk.
I see it used a lot (in the asylum) when people are telling you if they like something or find it good or bad....purely opinion. Even facts are open to interpretation because they are tainted with human perception and experience...we are not machines, and everything we know comes through the filter of our mind.mp
"anything anyone says should be regarded as their opinion...".
Case in point, go to Steve Tafkas and my recent posted conversation
about wrestling, much of what I posted IS VERIFIABLE FACT.
For example, it is NOT MY OPINION that Sammartino defeated Rogers
on such and such date at such and such place, it's historical fact
that was duly recorded via the media and placed in the record books
for all to see. - AH
either by your personal knowledge, or from trusted sources.
people have been known to lie and present false data!
Sometimes facts are not always cut and dried because fact is always intertwined with opinions and perceptions of the one supplying it..
Case in point:
The sky is blue...to me
The sky is grey to my color blind neighbor.:o)mp
Your postion of cautious skepticism may be ideal, but I consider it
impractical and most likely unrealizable in any consistent manner.
Better to strike some midpoint twixt your postion and that of uncritical acceptance. Doubt if many at this forum would be
willing or even consistently capable of following your recommendation.
As for lying and presenting false data, this is obvious to most
discerning people. People can also be simply mistaken. Following
more a more practical, balanced modus operandi, I consider your
case in point to be the exception, my operating assumption would
be to economically assume that most people I interact with do indeed
see something approximating a blue sky. - AH
I don't analyze it, it happens naturally.
Someone who tells me the toothfairy left him a quarter, I will not believe them, even if they say it is true, actually even if it is true...because it doesn't match what I percieve to be true.Here is another example, you used in an earlier post:
Winning and losing verifiable recorded data:
in Japan, I have heard, that to win you must tie, a tie is the ultimate goal. (this may or may not be true) but it could be.
So the winner in your case would actually be a loser."One must take things with a grain of salt"
:o)
mp
If you're implying that analysis doesn't or can't occur on a subconsious level, which I take you consider "natural", then I have
to disagree. As for your comments on Japanese rules, I have a
friend who regularly toured the pro wrestling circuit in Japan (wrestling is big there) some years ago and the NWA rules are the
same there as the USA, no cross-cultural conflict or contradiction
in that regard. In chess, a lower-rated player who ties a
higher-rated player, could consider himorherself a winner of
sorts in a subjective sense and relish that, and vice-versa for the
higher-rated player, but objectively, the fact remains that, according to the rules of chess, the game was judged a tie and duly
recorded that way,
(neither lost nor won the game), even though
the lower-rated player gained rating points and the higher-rated
player lost them. The record book data is objective and not
subject to interpretation. - AH
are you implying that human perception does not play in the INTERPRETATION of facts?mp
things like expectation and selective bias. -AH
one rarely uses the term "IMO" one, with intelligence enough to actually hold a conversation with another, would know the difference.You see it typed over, and over on the forum boards though. It is odd.
I think more than distinguishing fact from opinion, it might be that we feel the need to be extra careful how people percieve us, because others only know us by what we type, our written word. We can't use other forms of nonverbal and verbal cues..so I think it's just an extra precaution people take...an insurance policy so to speak.
mp
Possibly these are interwined depending upon personality types, e.g,
I know "know-it-alls" who almost never qualify their statements with
JMO in conversation, whereas, others, who are concerned both with
perceptions by others and their own standards of objective
truth, qualify their statements when appropriate. Appears to me that "know-it-all" or dogmatic types aren't
concerned with OT and relish in fostering others perceptions that
their opinions are solid fact to foster their own egocentric
perceptions of themselves. - AH
my everyday conversation, I don't hear it on the news, I don't hear it on tv, I don't even read about people using that term in books or the paper. When I first started to visit the asylum, I had to ask my hubby what that IMO meant...didn't get it at first.It seems to be unique to computer forums.
People say I liked this or that there the best IMO (who elses opinion could they be referring to?). I have used the term only a couple of times, and I'm not a no it all or egocentric. I trust that people know when I say I like or don't like something, it is indeed just my opinion.mp
Dear Mrs. Piggy,I agree that IMO and IMHO have become over-used. You give a good example with "I like....best, IMO". "I like" introduces an opinion; therefore, "IMO" is redundant. In correct web-speak, IMO should be substituted for "I like..." or "I think...". e.g., "IMO, ...is the best."
See my post above for my opinion on the validity of "IMO" and "IMHO".
I remain humbly,
Ted
more generalized qualifications than IMO, IMHO, and many others on
the lists on the Net. Never heard of most of them until I saw them
on the lists. In my collective experiences, many times know-it-alls
are toned down by others with statements like, "that's just your
opinion", corrective feedback, as it were. Admittedly, much of my experience has been around academia
where even much casual conversation exhibits rather quasi-formal,
argumentative tones, and probably would not be representative of most
causal, everyday conversations of the general population. - AH
a coincidence, right after posting the above message, I sat down
and half-attentively watched the movie "Stigmata" on Sci-fi Channel,
in an early scene, a priest named Andrew was arguing with his
superior. The superior said something like, "And this is fact..."
Andrew responded, "...this is my opinion"!! My ears perked up
and I smiled. Life is full of little surprises, thought it was worth
mentioning.
-AH
nt
Also I liked the Kevin Klein/Meg Ryan combo in French Kiss.Steve
Seriously, I think Bolt Snypr has this one pinned down underneath a white van.
.
The Original!
I said NT!! but now that you are here, How could anyone like Somewhere in Time? Same person who likes Titanic?BTW, I spent my honeymoon at the Grand Hotel. If you visit, stay somewhere else and pay the $4 to walk the grounds.
Christopher Reeve, Jane Seymour
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