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In Reply to: anything anyone says should be regarded as their... posted by Mrs. Piggy on October 26, 2002 at 17:58:16:
"anything anyone says should be regarded as their opinion...".
Case in point, go to Steve Tafkas and my recent posted conversation
about wrestling, much of what I posted IS VERIFIABLE FACT.
For example, it is NOT MY OPINION that Sammartino defeated Rogers
on such and such date at such and such place, it's historical fact
that was duly recorded via the media and placed in the record books
for all to see. - AH
Follow Ups:
either by your personal knowledge, or from trusted sources.
people have been known to lie and present false data!
Sometimes facts are not always cut and dried because fact is always intertwined with opinions and perceptions of the one supplying it..
Case in point:
The sky is blue...to me
The sky is grey to my color blind neighbor.:o)mp
Your postion of cautious skepticism may be ideal, but I consider it
impractical and most likely unrealizable in any consistent manner.
Better to strike some midpoint twixt your postion and that of uncritical acceptance. Doubt if many at this forum would be
willing or even consistently capable of following your recommendation.
As for lying and presenting false data, this is obvious to most
discerning people. People can also be simply mistaken. Following
more a more practical, balanced modus operandi, I consider your
case in point to be the exception, my operating assumption would
be to economically assume that most people I interact with do indeed
see something approximating a blue sky. - AH
I don't analyze it, it happens naturally.
Someone who tells me the toothfairy left him a quarter, I will not believe them, even if they say it is true, actually even if it is true...because it doesn't match what I percieve to be true.Here is another example, you used in an earlier post:
Winning and losing verifiable recorded data:
in Japan, I have heard, that to win you must tie, a tie is the ultimate goal. (this may or may not be true) but it could be.
So the winner in your case would actually be a loser."One must take things with a grain of salt"
:o)
mp
If you're implying that analysis doesn't or can't occur on a subconsious level, which I take you consider "natural", then I have
to disagree. As for your comments on Japanese rules, I have a
friend who regularly toured the pro wrestling circuit in Japan (wrestling is big there) some years ago and the NWA rules are the
same there as the USA, no cross-cultural conflict or contradiction
in that regard. In chess, a lower-rated player who ties a
higher-rated player, could consider himorherself a winner of
sorts in a subjective sense and relish that, and vice-versa for the
higher-rated player, but objectively, the fact remains that, according to the rules of chess, the game was judged a tie and duly
recorded that way,
(neither lost nor won the game), even though
the lower-rated player gained rating points and the higher-rated
player lost them. The record book data is objective and not
subject to interpretation. - AH
are you implying that human perception does not play in the INTERPRETATION of facts?mp
things like expectation and selective bias. -AH
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