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In Reply to: Independence Day should make any list of recent very bad movies posted by cfraser on November 01, 2002 at 00:42:27:
doesn't make it "bad". Besides, this one has a sound track that still has people paying over $100 for the DTS LaserDisc!My "Bad" movies are the ones that fail totally in what they try to do. That list is well populated with the pretentious claptrap of the late 60's and early 70's as well as the films that wanted to be "mindless entertainment" and couldn't even succeed at that!
However, "Independence Day" has its moments. In fact it is a fairly decent (but not great) "Saturday Night Nachos and Marguerita" movie. Some of John Carpenter's films fit the same bill, tho' in a different way.
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Saturday night "Nachos and Drinks" movie, I never pay attention to the plot, or the acting.It doesn't try to succeed on those terms. It tries on a far more pubescent, unsophisticated level. en fin, it is not trying to be a good (not to mention "great") movie. It is trying to be "mindless entertainment". And after the third drink, the explosions are even more fun and the acting matters even less.
It does bother me that most of the box office successes fall into this class, but this movie bothers me far less than films that are trying to be "good" or "great" movies, whose plots are just as bad and acting more pretentious and which skate by because they are "politically correct".
It does look and sound good, I've watched it a few times. Hell, I even bought the deluxe version. Good presentaion does not make a good movie, some acting and a script helps. Pay attention to the plot, such as it is. It has so many holes, doesn't even stand up within its own context, tries so hard to pull all the right emotional strings. This is a formula movie, totally pathetic even in the popcorn genre, there are so many better. I won't even get into the politics of it, which together with all the rest makes this what I call a really bad movie. In fact, watching this movie makes me angry, and its success in a certain market makes me very worried.
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