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In Reply to: not in this case :) posted by gnat on January 10, 2000 at 22:31:58:
***Hi, Victor
***I mean guys who discussed Cats.
Omer is from Israel, and his later comment about bitter-sweet
taste of the movie shows rather connection than gap. Jim is
seriously interested in war history, especially two WWs.Certainly. I was only speaking in general terms. However, we are all less sensitive to someone else's blood. For instance, the American Civil War is still not as shocking to me. At a rational level I understand the scale and importance of it, but emotionally it is still far away, as bloody as it was.
It is also very interesting to see the wars from different perspectives. I spent some time reading the Winter War history from Finnish side. It is hard not to see that as a tremedous achievement for a small country - how they managed to hold their own agains an overwhelming power and only lost about 20000 people.
Your remarks on errr, Remark, are true (borrowing you pun).
I think I might have seen the Polyoty. I shall check the other two. And if you can get the My Twentieth Century, get it. We shall call it even exchange.
So, what is new in Moscow? Maybe it is time for me to stop by again... And talking about someone else's blood, the war seems to be getting more and more serious.
Hi, VictorHope my back-translation isn't too far from Kipling original. :)
> > >
Certainly. I was only speaking in general terms. However, we are all
less sensitive to someone else's blood. For instance, the American
Civil War is still not as shocking to me. At a rational level I understand
the scale and importance of it, but emotionally it is still far away, as
bloody as it was.
< < <Sometimes literature helps. My understanding of this war increased alot
after reading one book. IIRC it was Faulkner(sp?). The book made it
close enough to Russian Civil War to impress me.
> > >
It is also very interesting to see the wars from different perspectives.
I spent some time reading the Winter War history from Finnish side. It is
hard not to see that as a tremedous achievement for a small country - how
they managed to hold their own agains an overwhelming power and only lost
about 20000 people.
< < <Yup. This war was one of the most interesting in XX century. Actually,
one doesn't even need it's Finnish interpretation to deduct this.
Applying some logic to plain Soviet sources, ripping'em from propaganda
will do the trick. :) Blitzkrieg sucks against *proper* defence.
> > >
I think I might have seen the Polyoty. I shall check the other two. And
if you can get the My Twentieth Century, get it. We shall call it even
exchange.
< < <Thank you. I've seen a cut of something similar on local TV recently.
BW private chronicles or its imitation, accompanied by author text.
Usually I don't watch TV, but this one catched my attention. It was
close to your description - "beautiful, relevant, striking". I'll
look the past program for it, maybe we're talking about same things. :)
> > >
So, what is new in Moscow? Maybe it is time for me to stop by again...
And talking about someone else's blood, the war seems to be getting
more and more serious.
< < <Are you going to visit March Sofitel' show this year?
There's nothing new here, even the "Big Boss leaving" hadn't such a big
effect. As for war, honestly I dunno. I never trust *current* news,
mass-media creates calm/hot impression for current events artificially.
Maybe 2-3 months later I'll be able to tell better... :(
regards, gnat
Hi, VictorI checked that (pseudo?)chronicle movie I was talking about;
it's "Private Chronicles. Monologue." (="Chastnyje khroniki.
Monolog"), not My Twentieth Century. Anyway, I recommend it.Another one is about "nothing new". Probably just when I wrote
this, occured a rouble devaluation. Bad news if you have a lot
of roubles, good news if you have a lot of dollars. I don't
have neither, so I don't worry. ;-)regards, gnat
***Hi, Victor
I checked that (pseudo?)chronicle movie I was talking about;
it's "Private Chronicles. Monologue." (="Chastnyje khroniki.
Monolog"), not My Twentieth Century. Anyway, I recommend it.Thank you, Gnat, I've added it to my list.
***Another one is about "nothing new". Probably just when I wrote
this, occured a rouble devaluation.Sorry to hear that. What is the new rate?
***Bad news if you have a lot
of roubles, good news if you have a lot of dollars.It has been my understanding that for someone with lots of dollars that would be largely neutral because most local currency prices will be quickly adjusted for new exchange rate. Am I wrong in thinking that way?
But certainly everyone who gets paid in rubles suffers. It is hard to believe many people have to survive on $20 a month. Even harder to believe is the fact that here some people dare to call poor those making $1100 a month or more. Most people in developed countries have little notion of what real poverty is. Of course, when you visit Moscow and stay at Baltchug for $600/night, things don't look all that bad. Just to think of all the billions that the rotten bastards were able to pump out of the country as it kept getting poorer and poorer.
***I don't
have neither, so I don't worry. ;-)As in an old story, the government should start worrying when people stop crying and begin to laugh instead. I think I know what you mean, my mother is supposed to survive on about $17 a month pension. Some of her friends get one half of that. It is quite fortunate that we can help her.
Best of luck to you and all good folks.
Victor.
PS. When is the show? I am not sure if I will be able to come - a lot of things to do here.
Hi, Victor
They did it before when they called themselves communists.
They do it now, calling themselves democrats. I dunno how
they'll call themselves in the future, but I'm sure as hell
they'll do the same. Same guys, same modus operandi.Official devaluation is 7%. I obtain the course only through
street exchange rate, it changed from ~27-28 to ~28-29. Prices
increased a bit. Looks like after all the previous rip-offs
there's not enough of extra-money to create a buying panic.
And most of this extra money are not in roubles already, sure.
One can say economics is stable as in the grave.IIRC, in most cases here prices follow the course with some
significant latency, so there's a small benefit for those with
dollars. There are also goods with prices linked to dollars
immediately, most of the audio/video for example. :)
> > >
It is hard to believe many people have to survive on $20 a month.
< < <Been there done that. Unforgettable memories indeed.
> > >
As in an old story, the government should start worrying when people
stop crying and begin to laugh instead. I think I know what you mean,
my mother is supposed to survive on about $17 a month pension. Some
of her friends get one half of that. It is quite fortunate that we
can help her.
< < <I'm not a rebel I think. You mentioned microscopic pensions, it's one of
very few things that hit my nerve, making me feel somewhat "bolshevik".BTW about laughs, I had a good one around this devaluation. The TV cut from
which I got my information about it, was an interview with boss of Central
Bank. In the end reporter asked him what advise he'd get to the people
to store their money safe. Guy answered "v bankah!" It took me few seconds
to realize that he didn't specified whether this means "in the banks" or
"in the cans", then I had a ROTFLMAO. Style of Delphi Oracle exactly.
> > >
PS. When is the show? I am not sure if I will be able to come - a lot
of things to do here.
< < <March 2-5. As usual, day #1 is for pro guys only, the rest is for everyone.
Since you mentioned that you're not certain that you've seen "Polyoty",
there's another one worth checking, "Khrani menya moy talisman". It's
another product of that nice Balayan/Yankowsky collaboration.
regards, gnat
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