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In Reply to: Re: "...albeit all American, regrettably." Getting old Victor. posted by Victor Khomenko on December 19, 2002 at 15:37:01:
outstanding directors/films that come from America that would be exceptions to the opinion that "no film or art culture comes from America"
As I could come up with a few examples of outstanding engineering/scientific achievements (KM-1 through K36A ejection seat, MIG 29 IR lookdown/shootdown) that would be exceptions to the opinion that " no innovation or advancement of technology, just copy/steal of existing western ideas, came from Russian engineers/scientists"See, both opinions can be stated in ways that tend to excite emotions beyond what was intended. Because in the end, they both are just opinions that are not exact fact.
May I suggest that you continue the use of labels like "Hollywood machine" or "Hollywood formula" instead of a national label, it wears longer.
Your GM analogy doesn't really fit in this case. Simply in GM's case they made an inferior product that had competetion, and the public/revenues went elsewhere. In the case of film, it still may be a inferior product, but its more refined competetion has almost no effect on the public/revenues. May not be likeable or desireable outcome, but this is one case where the company is supplying what the public is wanting and maintaining the health/income of the companies. So some of those CEO's are doing the right thing, it may not be art, but it is the right product for the market.
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***outstanding directors/films that come from America that would be exceptions to the opinion that "no film or art culture comes from America"And whose opinion would that be? If you just are building a hypothetical case, then I suggest staying with something that has true ring to it. Something like what I said - that among the best films made in the world the American share is small. If you took my 5% number to task and argued that it maybe as high as 20% or so, we might have a good argument, but to say none comes from here kills the argument. I do love many American movies, and we have talked about them MANY times. Recently there was a thred about great American directors, so please, let's not dump red herring here.
***As I could come up with a few examples of outstanding engineering/scientific achievements (KM-1 through K36A ejection seat, MIG 29 IR lookdown/shootdown) that would be exceptions to the opinion that " no innovation or advancement of technology, just copy/steal of existing western ideas, came from Russian engineers/scientists"
And that woudl be wrong too... but your point? This would only make sense if we agreed on the first statement, and I don't.
Hoollywood Machine, etc - I really don't care what we call them, makes no difference to me. We also talked about the decline of Hollywood in terms of its artistic merits, and that unfortunately is the fact. That is why people flock to the Independent Films.
So all in all, I see no reason to change my statement that only a small portion of good films comes from America. Ironically, I felt the same way about the portion of Russian films. Heck, even the Italian portion is not all that much greater - perhaps 20%?
So I really don't know what we are arguing about. You are not suggesting it is 100% - are you? Or even 75%, as AuPh seems to believe? That number is simply laughable.
I don't care about film. I have little opinion on the worldwide source of good or bad film. I ain't aruging about percentages.Its simple. National labels evoke passionate responses. Try leaving out the word America. Some are tired of bashing no matter the subject. Anyway a good deal of the product producers in film (major studios) are owned by Japanese, and French based companies.
Just asking to drop the national label.
You missed the point Edp. I live in America, so I mentioned American films because they dominate the local cable. If I lived in France and the majority of films were French I would feel the same way. I did feel that way when I lived in Russia too. No need to get defensive.
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