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In Reply to: Re: I understand... posted by joe2coold@icqmail.com on January 13, 2003 at 18:50:10:
Now that we've gotten the "formal" introductions out of the way and established that your sense of humor doesn't extend to movies with pacing only a snail could appreciate let's try to establish a dialogue, shall we? First of all, in the future it would behoove you to do a little more research into the professional, film and literary background of your target of opportunity before making insinuations about his or her intellectual capacity.Allow me to save you a little time: I'm an artist in the SF community, know personally many of authors whose works or the Cliff Notes of whose works you may have read; I'm also a film connoisseur of sorts, although some around here will probably differ with that opinion. My tastes may not be on the same level as your's, but what the hey, you can always aspire, can't you? Oh, and BTW, it also occurs to me that my wife found the Tarkovsky Solaris a sleep inducing exercise, and she's a movie aficionado like myself, not to mention a published author with 8 novels to her credit in the fantasy/SF/horror genre.
What more can one say? *shrug* I guess that those of us who are in your eyes "intellecually challenged" will never appreciate Solaris as you have, but you've got to admit that it's kind of amazing what folks can accomplish with an IQ of 40 these days; it's rumoured that some with even less "smarts" have become successful politicians! ;^)
Cheers,
AuPh
Follow Ups:
By the way, I forgot. I did a bit of research and the following contribution does not really show that you are an artist, rather John Bloke who likes action movies.By the way I am NOT an artist, I am just the ordinary techno nerd, who enjoys boring movies without action scenes. In case you wondered...
Posted by Audiophilander (A) on January 03, 2003 at 16:00:43
In Reply to: Tell me what movies you like... posted by Victor Khomenko on January 03, 2003 at 14:32:32:
;^)
Seriously, I can't exactly see where you're coming from, ...okay, perhaps you were hiding behind a Shrub Outside and I missed being blind-sided, ...but looking back over my list here's the Top 20 (i.e., 23) breakdown:Science Fiction (1) - Metropolis
Horror (3) - Enigma, The Ring & Frailty
Psychlogical drama (2) - One Hour Photo & Red Dragon
Comedy (1) - Catch Me If You Can
Action/Adventure [superhero] (2) - Spiderman & Blade II: Bloodhunt
Supernatural drama (1) - The Mothman Prophecies
Fantasy (3) - LoTR:TTT, Harry Potter:TCoS and Brotherhood of the Wolf
Non-fiction Drama (2) - 8 Mile & K-19: Widowmaker
Fiction Drama (2) - The Road to Perdition & Changing Lanes
Crime Drama (2) - Knockaround Guys & Gangs of New York
Action/Adventure [spy] (4) - The Bourne Identity, XXX, Die Another Day & The Sum of All Fears
Of course there are more SF films among those which didn't make my Top Twenty-something list, but I also didn't list every film that I'd seen last year.> > > "I dunno, AuPh, I dunno... looks like about 70% of your list is the films that have nothing to do with reality... rayguns, superheros... is there something we should know about you?" < < <
LOL! Not really, but so what? I like science fiction; it's only a portion of a fairly broad range of cinema that I like and better than a lot of the cheese that passes for "stimulating" film fare; I prefer sleeping at home in my own bed rather than in a movie theater, thankyou very much!
... that you prefer "a lot of the cheese that passes for 'stimulating' film fare?"BTW, I removed my earlier post because it displayed a bit more sarcasm than intended (i.e., except about the painting; that's the real deal and it's still $4000 plus shipping!).
In all seriousness, I'm not ridiculing you or your taste in film, but merely attempting to express my own impressions of Solaris (aka The Never Ending Tunnel Story)! If you want to label guys as "John Bloke" or whatever just because they prefer watching rousing film fare while relaxing in comfortable stadium theater seats over the Sundance & Cannes crowd's so-called cerebral flicks oozing with low-key symbolism and usually given limited release in smelly run down art houses, well that's fine by me. And if you wish to insinuate that those of us who like our films with a bit of tension and excitement only have an IQ of around 40, well, what the hey, go right ahead; knock yourself out.
Respectfully,
AuPh
that your joke was not genuinely funny for me, because I found it stale.I like action movies too, but I also like "art" movies (the name is stupid but I do not know another one). I feel sad when 99% of the people whatch episode2 and love because of the technical effects and the fighting scenes and movies that go another way (than holywood) have problems making enough money to cover the expenses.
Of course it is a matter of taste as well, but all the movies you listed as beeing good are action movies and I am getting the impression that this is all you want, action. Is there any movie that has no action that you like?
I am just getting tired of those dull action movies with no plot and people raving about it.
When you say "the never ending tunnel story, then I think you probably fell asleep at the beginning and did not really get the plot, but never mind. I REALLY do not care if you like it or not.
If you have to critisize something about it then maybe with a bit more detail and niveau. Condemming movies just because they are slow doen't do it for me, really.
I am not saying that you have a low IQ, but often people with a low IQ utter such things and you don't have to be surprised that one thinks that you belong to those people. And if your wife likes good movies and has a phd then it does not really reflect how intelligent you are, you would rather have to come up with a bit more intelligent remarks to proof that. (hey, my dog can stand on one leg and count to 10!).
But this is really leading nowhere, as I said, I do not care what you like or dislike and if your intelligent or not. I would have cared about it more explicit criticism, but that didn't arrive. So be it.And now I am getting bored...
Sorry, couldn't resist! :o)You keep bringing up Episode II (Star Wars) as if I probably liked it, but if you had done your homework you'ld know that I'm among Episode I & II's harshest critics; BTW, that number is far greater than 1% I assure you! Looking at it anoter way, I "like" Lucas's Star Wars Redux about as much as I "like" Tarkovsky's Solaris, but for entirely different reasons.
You asked if there was any movie that has no action that I like. Well, if you mean the kind of flicks where people just sit around talking, "NO!" ...but if you mean films where the action is primarily dramatic (i.e., internal), then quite a few. Most of them are classic films like Welle's Citizen Kane, Von Stroheim's Greed & Foolish Wives, poignant comedies like Chaplin's City Lights & Modern Times, historical dramas like Abel Gance's Napoleon (Brownlow restoration) or Carl Theodore Dreyer's Joan of Arc (Criterion). Of more recent films with internalized dramatic content, I liked Cast Away, The Majestic, The Insider, and Glengarry Glen Ross just to name a few.
My problem with Solaris (i.e., the Tarkovsky original) is that it takes forever to tell the audience anything. It suffers with much of the same problem as Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey in that it's slowly paced and rarly resolves anything as it plods along. However, Kubrick's transitions were sharply delineated and early on gave an indication that mankind's destiny was tied to something alien and sophisticated through the humming monolithic structures. After the clever segue into the distant near-future he kept the audience visually focused on the beauty and vastness of space while proceeding on that long semi-documentary stylized journey to seek the monoliths' origins.
But I digressed; we were discussing Solaris, right?
FWIW, I've tried to sit through Solaris on two separate occasions, the second time with my wife who fell asleep on the couch after about 40 minutes. Later she dubbed this film the most boring she'd ever seen, knocking Altman's Pret-A-Porter out of first place! I stuck with it another 30 minutes and finally gave up and hit the sack myself. In fairness, the movie was shown quite late on TCM, but in retrospect I think there may have been a good reason for that. At any rate, life is too short to waste on movies that can't get around to some semblance of a story after 30 or 40 minutes. I don't know if we are the exception or the rule, but creative folks tend to be impatient with pretension disguised as art.
You wanted "detail and niveau?"
Folks sitting around various rooms staring at one another or contemplating each other's navels isn't great cinema art; isolated nature shots taken by a lake with a frog being the star attraction isn't great cinema art; endless cross country drives and with the camera pointed out the window isn't great cinema art; the world's longest tunnel may be a technological masterpiece, but rolling film on it doesn't make it great cinema art; finally, any film with all of these elements which calls itself science fiction is just plain boring ...and it STILL isn't great cinema art!
So, now you have specific details, presented with as little "stale humor" as possible.
AuPh
now that was really funny and not stale. lol
You do have humour after all.
But no he does not do that while watching Solaris, he usually sleeps when I watch it. (surprise!?)
I was using starwars just as an example, and by the way I enjoyed the first 3 (old) movies very much.
Aha, so you like other movies too, good to know.
Of course it is always a big question of taste as well what one likes and doesn't. But maybe you got roughly my point with expensive and primitiv holywood movies anyway.
I put the word "art" in quotation marks, since that is what other people use to refer to it, I do not like the word at all myself.
And I completely support your opinion that not everything declared as art and made with pretendious stereotypes is worth even watching.
In case of solaris I think one would have to see it in a different light since it was made in Russia when the country was still under dictatorship.
Just quickly to tell you what I like about the movie is the atmosphere it is creating (somebody said it is better than taking dope), this of course is not effecting everybody the same of course and I can understand that it does nothing to you exept make you sleepy, but hey as you said earlier, it saves you the sleeping pills and it is completely untoxic, think about that, and once you have it on DVD (or video) it is very cheap to in comparison to expensive pills. So it could be of benefit to you after all.
You made your point clear now but nevertheless I think you might have missed a lot of the story. So I ask once again, have you read the book? (just out of interest). If not I highly recommend it after all, but of course it is slow and probably tiring for you, though worth the effort I think.
Apart from that there are many exellent books written by Stanislaw Lem, even a few funny ones and also some thrillers. I found "the invincible" very gripping and "thus quoth Golem" (I think that is the English title. I did not read it in English) extremely interesting from a theoretical and technical point of few. (Do not read "memoires found in the bath tub" !! Even I found that tiring and boring).
I think S.Lem is one of the greatest SF authors and I do not stand alone with that opinion.Kia Ora
Joe
by the way, that you mention LotR. One of my friends was actually in the movie (I don't mean he saw it at the movies, I mean he was acting in it). Since you are obviously such a great fan of the movie, I could get you an autogram, how does that sound? Maybe he can even throw in a couple of axes from the scenes...
... occasionally, the whole scene gets a little tedious IMHO, sort of like those "inaction" movies you like so much. ;^)Thanks for the offer though, and I really mean that (i.e., I'm not being facetious). FTR, we know quite a few actors and other professionals in the entertainment medium and respect their privacy every bit as much as we do their work. You are right that LoTR is very special to both my wife & I, and while we'd very much like to possess object(s) used in the film's production we would be more inclined to auction such treasures for one of several charities we particiapate in at the earliest opportunity, such as the Make a Wish Foundation.
BTW, if you're really into the autograph thing I wouldn't mind making a few inquiries to obtain certain celebrity autographs for you from folks my wife and I know. Most are well known authors and artists in the SF/fantasy/horror community, but through my brother's connections in the film industry the list occasionally extends to folks like Sam Raimi, Steven Spielberg, Tom Hanks, G. Gordon Liddy, Charlton Heston, etc., etc.
Just let me know.
Cheers,
AuPh
I was sarcastic too, forget it.
I do not care about celebrities either.
(nt)
great! hit the target 100%, what more can I ask for...If you are making that kind of joke then you are asking for a reply like that, sorry.
Ok you didn't like it, but I do, now what?
You could have asked "why do you like" it for example...Congratulations to your background, I am impressed...
I would have liked a good joke though, but the one you pulled was age old, sorry, that did not impress me at all...
but hey, you impressed others with it obviously.
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