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I've only seen Dune by Lynch. Thought the books were better.Anything worthwhile in the others? Anything to be said for this guy's analysis and comparisons?
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Social outcast living in a cave who doesn't believe in Christmas; Bin Ladin is 'The Grinch'.Mild mannered men who find life in general deprives them of an outlet to express their suppressed competitiveness in a hostile, agressive manner, leading to emotional stagnation and a general confusion about the male role in modern society. A small group of men set up a covert meeting place where the shackles of civilisation are left at the door, and unabashed blood-letting can commence.
'Outside' Asylum IS 'Fight Club'.Secret document discloses that a decision to forceably apprehend a murderer was flawed because the evidence produced was altered by those in authority - evidence to the contrary which showed links to those same authorities sitting in judgement was ommitted and sat upon to enable a predetermined agenda to be followed.
Bush and Rumsfeld star in 'The Minority Report'.US forces enter a foreign territory to extract a murderous leader threatening the peace of the whole region, and underestimate the tenacity of the enemy who fight vigorously against superior technolgy and fire-power, using home advantage/knowledge to force a hasty retreat.
Iraq is the location for 'Black Hawk Down'.Muslim of humble origins fights the oppression of those in power and gains a following amongst the poor of his country, eventually being threatened with imprisonment for none-compliance with the leadership's order's to fight for his country against a people he had no quarrel with.
'Ali'.Of course some of the links are extremely tenuous, but it's just a bit of fun after all innit?
Best Regards,
Chris Redmond.
So, I see you turned Left while exiting your driveway this morning.It seems a lot of people really want to believe the American government has turned fascist. Yeah, the political party that stands for personal freedom above everything else, that outlawed slavery, that gave woman the right to vote, that didn't have the support of the KKK in the '60s, -- "is taking away all our freedoms". I especially like your bit about Bush and Rumsfeld flubbing policy.
Sorry I targeted you, but I'm angry this morning and you were the first Bush attacker I came across :)
I don't have a drive - strictly middle of the road. :0)Best Regards,
Chris Redmond.
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I'm so glad the author of that little article mentioned Starship Troopers, though she doesn't quite understand what the movie is truly about. She's right that it isn't "90210 in space", as moron Hollywood critics made it out to be, but it isn't a lampoon of Heinlein's work either. How do I know this? I own the friggin DVD, and have watched the entire thing with audio commentary by the screenwriter and director. Starship Troopers is in fact exactly what Robocop and other Paul Verhoeven movies are; dark humor, laden with laughably excessive violence. It's full of charming little jokes and intended cliches, with Verhoeven's signature "intermissions" in the form of propaganda reels. The film does mock fascism, but isn't as deep as some tend to think it is.
From the feel of the movie, one get the impression that it was the Federation themself who aimed the asteroid toward earth, to gain support from the people so they can start a war.They never truly explained on how they bugs did it. While in the TV series we see space faring bugs, in the movie we only see that the bugs are capable doing anti-aircraft artillery attacks.
How the bugs aimed the asteroid toward earth?
edta,The parallels between "Dune"- the idea of desert dwellers attempting to regain control of their own resources from the exploitation of a remote culture and continuous US oil imperialism is a strong one. The use of the word "jihad" for this kind of struggle sounds overly simplistic to us now- it was undoubtedly unknown to the English- speaking public when Lynch's film was released. The idea of the natural leader arising out of a semi-nobility is also thinnly disguised. The difference then is that this struggle is shown as admirable whereas in the US today, the idea of a desert leader protecting his territories' natural resources through armed struggle with an imperial power would not play as well.
"Starship Troopers" may have been a fantasy allegory of modern American gung-ho militarism but frankly I was so annoyed by the tactics of the soldiers just standing in front of the giant bugs that I didn't stay long enough to pick up the 'message'. The film does demonstrate the stupidity of blind patriotism and the treating of soldiers as cannon fodder, but this was not a good allegory of the US Department of Killing Foreingers as the protection and survival of US combat personnel is of absolutely prime importance and highly successful- it is the foreigners that die in large numbers.
911 will have strong emotion attached for a long time, but you can bet that those windbag rabble-rousing novelists like Tom Clancy that need a popular ememy to fantasize subduing will make use of it at the earliest opportunity and these will become Harrison Ford movies with big box office.
Feeding Hollywood films is a kind of Orwellian US "enemy quotient" which has to constantly throw up some individual or nations as the enemy. After the fall of the USSR, the enemy quotient was filled by Khaddafi/ Libyans, Columbian drug cartels, the Chinese, Castro, even the Irish! These are always foreign enemies too -never the extreme right in the US which is responsible for almost all of the terrorism here- Oklahoma City, the KKK, militias, abortion clinic bombings/shootings, and anthrax. We need to remember this side of terrorism too, but it is not popular in the US to have any large scale self-examination.
In movies, we have to cycle through all the approved -and foreign- enemies. In the US, the post-911 film will have to fit the traditional molds more than ever.
Bambi B
"you can bet that those windbag rabble-rousing novelists like Tom Clancy that need a popular ememy to fantasize subduing will make use of it at the earliest opportunity and these will become Harrison Ford movies with big box office."Actually the opposite seems to be happening. Hollywood, in their constant quest to be PC, is trying so hard to not be "anti-anything" that the results are laughable. Consider the latest Clancy film (since you brought him up) "The Sum of all Fears". In the book, Arab terrorists get ahold of a nuclear bomb and set it off at the super bowl. I don't think anyone would deny the plausability here. What do we see in the film? Hollywood must have searched their brains for quite a while, trying to find a group that no one would object to villifying so, instead, we end up with the Neo-Nazis. Pulllleeze! The Neo-Nazis!? Oh yea, they're a real powerhouse as far as terrorist groups go.
the bruckmoron's "pearl harbor"...hollywood is always happy to go potential money makers...9/11 will be no different in a few years.
movie because its laughably insulting and something more people might have seen.
I think that she's dead-on, especially about Dune & Starship Troopers! The points she made about Frank Herbert's Dune take on an interesting perspective post-9/11 and I'm glad that someone finally emphasized those wickedly satirical elements in Paul Verhooven's film that so many folks seem to miss. I highly recommend seeing Starship Troopers for yourself; of course reading Robert Heinlein's book is also recommended, keeping in mind that the author was writing for a Eisenhower era audience and wasn't trying to satirize the "utopian" futuristic society with fascistic principles. OTOH, I don't feel that Verhooven was trying to lampoon Heinlein so much as the fascism on which that futuristic society was based, not to mention the cliche` war euphemisms we've grown up with in every gung-ho Hollywood war film made since the outbreak of WWII.OTOH, Fight Club is not a movie with much to recommend it, IMHO. The satire of corporate dehumanization may be present, but that subtext is well conceiled within the depressing story of it's central characters. From my perspective this story goes over the top in ways that even SF films don't usually try to get away with, which dulled the overall suspension of disbelief and, unfortunately, weakened the satirical elements.
I've never seen Hot Dogs for Gauguin, so your guess is as good as mine whether that one would be worth seeking out.
Cheers,
AuPh
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