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In Reply to: Re: film production posted by Victor Khomenko on February 25, 2003 at 17:20:42:
Mr.K,I would never argue that high costs always make good movies and as you say it is quite often the opposite as studio movies have to appeal to all those millions of wealthy 13 year old Americans.
Necessity often forces innovation. I grew up on Truffaut and I think that he made several early and brilliant movies like "400 Blows" with "borrowed" film stock, equipment, and certainly no constructed sets. Even with the virtually unlimited resources of Soderbergh and the undeniably higher production values, I much prefer the surreal, poetic quietude of Tarkovsky.
As I am not in the entertainment business myself, I could declare that "The Seven Samurai" and "Battleship Potemkin" are the greatest movies ever made without fear. But that is not possible in the major studio climate where financial success is everything. When it was a hot property, nobody around Town could criticize "Blair Witch" because of the incredible cost to profit ratio- though I consider it wobbly, amateurish trash. And look at the sequel which cost 10X as much. The Industry is so often criticized in the right-wing press as being irresponsibly left-wing, but internally it is the most intense capitalistic, free market culture on the planet; next to Mainland China.
It is interesting why movies and the tickets are so costly. I didn't appreciate the complexity of film-making from a sheer engineering and organizational standpoint until I got to know the process as a close spectator. You may hate James Cameron's movies- and I am way out of those demographics myself, but I can tell you that he is a fascinating and complex personality who does have a certain genius for engineering, indelible image-making, and organization. His current project is so incredible that when finished, I think will open a new epoch of film-making potential technically.
I should mention that I have not spent one cent, red or otherwise to see any of the movies I mentioned either. Nor do I own a television set.
K
Follow Ups:
If only he ( Cameron ) could make an good film...Without going to say that I hate some one, his films are really not...my cup of tea...Letīs talk about Francois.....
We all understand that movie business is well, business. As I said, this is free economy, and bad films don't do much harm to anyone, becides just a few brain cells.People often compare the junk films with junk food, and there ARE certain parallels. And as we know, junk food is an important part of the economy, even if I can't remember my last Big Mac (I do remember a Coke... about nine months ago...).
Bottom line - the ticket prices are what they are because millions of people employed by the industry make good living, and millions of consumers are happy viewing what the film idunstry is producing. But again, as long as this exchange happens voluntarily and no one is forcing ME to contribute (I can't remember paying to see an American film... been years... Last one was probably Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil, or close to that) I am fine.
More importantly, like all other classes of junkies, the modern movie goers just can't get enough of artificial gimmics and silly visual effects, and those gimmics don't come cheap - rightly was mentioned the Titanic model, and all that crap - so expect the prices to only go up.
"Midnight..." could really put someone off movies for good. One of the most dissapointing movies I can recall. All of the talent involved and a ripping good book, and a crap movie.Spacey just can't pick a movie to save his soul - I heard two reviews of his new one, and from the decription (not necessarily the judgement) he's picked another stinker.
"Oh, Daddy doesn't mind a little scandal. He's a senator."
MY coke is....four years back...
Free economy ...hum...Yes but there are certain parameters we can not let out of sights, like the world we live in, like environnement...and some problems tight to the ethic, like poor chickens or poor animals treated as products ( beside that the quality is...)
Like the few brain cells you mention....
It may even look as...more money - less film.
It is a small path. But quality is loosing ground, and will be exterminate soon...
Just a pair of old and lunatic..left.
Am I too dark ?
It's an important part of:
Crown and Coke
Rum and Coke
Long Island Ice Teaand many other interesting beverages!
And really, I think you almost have to look at films the way you would say, still photography: Some of it is art, and some of it is "product". Hopefully there will always be the Fellinis and Bergmans to art as there are the Spielbergs and Soderbergs to product.
"Oh, Daddy doesn't mind a little scandal. He's a senator."
From an health point of view, it is certainly an very un- one.
In small dose with ice an a zest of citrus, it can be enjoyable..if you like tons of sugar....
Tell me where are the Fellinis & Bergmans and Co. ?
I was jesting about the Coke -New Fellinis? I dunno, maybe Jeunet? Almodovar? Some who are not yet "mature" like Christopher Nolan (Memento)? Maybe only history will be the judge.
"Oh, Daddy doesn't mind a little scandal. He's a senator."
..Jeunet ? nice films, but who has no real layers of deepth, I look his " Amelie " twice...and it was...boring the second time around, his art is very visual and to consume like...an coke...but he may with his 53 years, have some hidden arrows...
Momento, this one I never like it was " new " and brillant in the story telling, but like " The Six Sense " superficial...and too boring for a second viewing...A film must be still surprise me after an X time of watching it...
no-one I can think of directing today is as *talented* as one of the greats, but there are still a few that make a movie according to their vision, not necessarily for box-office success. So all we have to do is wait for one who is talented to come along. Easy, no?P.S. - I would add Terry Gilliam to that list of directors who follow their own vision, not the most riveting vision sometimes, but doesn't compromise.
"Oh, Daddy doesn't mind a little scandal. He's a senator."
Is there may be great directors and we may miss them as they do not find any kind of distribution.
Anyway, quality is dying, in every direction you may look at.
Things are actually looking great, Patrick!There are still thousands of good films unwatched! I have been working on it for over 30 years, and am still feeling like I simply put a small scratch into the surface.
From time to time I open the filmography of good directors and actors and fine 100, 150, 200 works there, of which I have seen sometimes just a couple. So the opportunities are endless.
Yes, but most of the films are " made by yesterday " No problem, for me and you, as long are they are avaible ( that may become an problem )
But is it not like living in the past ?
Where are the output of today cineast ?
Maybe I am blind and want to bury my head in the yesterday ?
Human emotions and feelings have not changed much in thousands of years. What is antiquated about the Virgin Spring? Nothing. On the other hand the Titanic was old tired right off the bat, because the only thing in it was the mandane way of creating the studio disaster, and that changes daily.
Still haven't seen Titanic... I get the feeling it would be a painfully boring experience.-Frank
I saw parts of it on TV... yup... bit pile of boredom.
Nothing new under the sun !
But who are the new directors ?
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