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• Re: Spirited Away was girly fluff. nt - Pam 00:55:37 04/07/03 (0)
  In Reply to: Spirited Away was girly fluff. nt posted by CLARKJOHNSEN on March 24, 2003 at 09:37:09:

  I saw the subbed R2 disk and thought it was an excellent film, and no I don't consider it a chick flick. The thing grossed more than Titanic did in Japan and I first learned about it when a friend of mine, who is a 42 year old Japanese businessman, wrote a few weeks after it first came out and told me how much he loved "Sen to Chihiro no Kami Kakushi", which is its Japanese title.
  
  
  

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• Nope! Excellent film. - Harmonia 21:46:12 03/27/03 (8)
  In Reply to: Spirited Away was girly fluff. nt posted by CLARKJOHNSEN on March 24, 2003 at 09:37:09:

  One of best animated films ever, IMO.

  Along with Talk To Her, The Two Towers and Atanarjuat The Fast Runner, Spirited Away was a film I liked so much I saw it twice in theaters.

  "Girly?" Just what, pray tell, is that?
  
  

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  • "'Girly?' Just what, pray tell, is that?" - clarkjohnsen 08:05:15 03/28/03 (6)
    In Reply to: Nope! Excellent film. posted by Harmonia on March 27, 2003 at 21:46:12:

    Don't suppose you've ever heard the phrase "chick flick" either.

    Maybe you should go to more movies...

    clark
    
    

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    • Snert. Never. This chick don't like chick flicks... - Harmonia 11:49:01 03/28/03 (5)
      In Reply to: "'Girly?' Just what, pray tell, is that?" posted by clarkjohnsen on March 28, 2003 at 08:05:15:

      ...even with tongue in cheek. I *do* like *good* flicks...along with the occassional cheese whiz.

      Don't be testy, Clark.

      It's a mistake IMO to dismiss Spirited Away as a "girlie" or "children's" movie, although older children will certainly enjoy it. Childlike is, in fact, is fine with me. There's a big difference between child like and childish.

      Personally, I find SA an enchanting and original film, imaginative in its use of dream and mythic imagery, and which included some subtle but well placed barbs directed at Japanese society/corporate culture (and the critical tide is with me on this). Even if one doesn't care to go beyond its surface pleasures, SA is a visually fascinating film.

      My question, in fact, was sincere. I'm fine with the fact that you didn't find SA as appealing as I did. But...other than the protagonist being a young girl, I don't truly don't know what is particularly girlie or chick like, in the derrogatory sense, about this film. (In fact, the audience for it is predominently male, going by the demographics at the showings I caught.) Since you are apparently a thoughtful film goer, I was curious what specifically you thought was "girly" about Spirited Away. It's a comment that I have not seen leveled by any reviewer/critic at this film. SA is a LONG way from Britney Spears...

      Or do you generally dismiss the fantasy genre as a matter of course?

      I find it's the quality of watching, not the quantity, that enhances film appreciation. However, if you think I should, I will definitely go to more movies.

      Seen in (in theaters) March:

      Talk To Her
      The Quiet American
      Rabbit Proof Fence
      Russian Ark
      Oscar Shorts
      The Guru
      LOTR/TTT

      Darn, not a chick flick in there, unless you count the Almodovar...but March isn't over yet.
      
      
      

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      • Re: Amen - Derick 18:01:44 03/28/03 (0)
        In Reply to: Snert. Never. This chick don't like chick flicks... posted by Harmonia on March 28, 2003 at 11:49:01:

        In fact, the audience for it is predominently male, going by the demographics at the showings I caught.)
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        Not a chick flick or even 'girly fluff' by any sense of the imagination.

        Derick
        
        

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      • "Don't be testy, Clark." - clarkjohnsen 13:20:49 03/28/03 (3)
        In Reply to: Snert. Never. This chick don't like chick flicks... posted by Harmonia on March 28, 2003 at 11:49:01:

        My reply was in response to the sarcastic, "'Girly?' Just what, pray tell, is that?" You knew perfectly well what I meant, as shown by this remark: "Darn, not a chick flick in there."

        Visual "surface pleasures" I find objectionable, especially when coupled to a scatter-headed, mysticism-lite plot and executed in faux-primitive cartooning style.

        A woman/girl can be the protagonist in a picture and yet it needn't be "girly". There are films where the protagonist is a guy and it's still "girly". And by the way, Britney Sears is not girly. As for that being "a comment that I have not seen leveled by any reviewer/critic at this film", well, no one would dare! Look what happened to me...

        clark

        Oh: Rabbit Proof Fence. Girls, but not girly. However, a pack of lies. Can't be perfect!

        Talk to Her: Half-girly I'd say. Note I also commanded everyone to see it.
        
        

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        • Your negative review of this film is a sure fire endorsement in my book! - Audiophilander 00:11:18 03/29/03 (2)
          In Reply to: "Don't be testy, Clark." posted by clarkjohnsen on March 28, 2003 at 13:20:49:

          BTW, why isn't it a surprise that you'ld use a misogynistically perjoritive word like "girly" to denigrate a film which failed to satisfy your own pretensious expectations?

          > > > "Look what happened to me..." < < <

          I've gotta hand it to ya Clark, it takes a great deal of chutzpah to dismiss a film in such a spiteful manner, then turn around a couple of posts later and pretend to fall on your own (rubber?) sword like some misunderstood martyr. Perhaps the introduction of a new Oscar category for Best Acting on an Internet Chat Board will result in your being invited to the AMPAS Awards ceremony next year! ;^)

          Cheers,
          AuPh
          
          

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          • "a misogynistically perjoritive word like 'girly' to denigrate a film which failed..." LOL! - clarkjohnsen 08:59:03 03/29/03 (1)
            In Reply to: Your negative review of this film is a sure fire endorsement in my book! posted by Audiophilander on March 29, 2003 at 00:11:18:

            "...a misogynistically perjoritive word like 'girly' to denigrate a film which failed to satisfy your own pretensious expectations?"

            Boy you PC types slay me! You know perfectly well what a "girly film" or "chick flick" is, and recognize that they are made, but you forbid the use of those terms.

            But no matter: Whatever term you may elevate now to proper use, will doubtless be found by your PC descendents of the future to be similarly objectionable. LOL!

            As for my alleged pretensions, well, it is true that unlike yourself, who went to see Return to Planet of the Apes *twice*, I never bothered with the thing. Just a bunch of boy fluff.

            clark
            
            

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            • "Return to Planet of the Apes" ...? - Audiophilander 05:03:32 04/01/03 (0)
              In Reply to: "a misogynistically perjoritive word like 'girly' to denigrate a film which failed..." LOL! posted by clarkjohnsen on March 29, 2003 at 08:59:03:

              Return to the Planet of the Uninformed Opinionated Reviewers would probably have a better shot of making a killing at the box office, especially if folks like you and Mr. Shepherd were the basis for the screenplay. ;^)

              Cheers,
              AuPh
              
              

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  • Re: Nope! Excellent film. - Derick 02:09:38 03/28/03 (0)
    In Reply to: Nope! Excellent film. posted by Harmonia on March 27, 2003 at 21:46:12:

    Have you seen the original Japanese version (english subs) of Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind? Sadly, the U.S. version released on video in the mid-80's ws hacked up by the distributor w/out the premission of Miyazaki. Disney (!) is gonna release the full 2 hour version on DVD this year.

    Although the manga is clearly superior, the film holds its own, and is one of his best... A lot of heart and substance compared to too much colour in animation these days.
    
    

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• Re: Spirited Away was girly fluff. nt - Derick 09:48:28 03/27/03 (0)
  In Reply to: Spirited Away was girly fluff. nt posted by CLARKJOHNSEN on March 24, 2003 at 09:37:09:

  

  Try to check out Miyazaki's past works. You might have a different opinion of Spirited Away in context of it. His films are almost always based on female heroines ever since.

  Quoted from a site:

  "His 'manga' (graphic novel) is on the other hand, explores the darker side of human nature: violence, hatred, anger, greed, stupidity, war, and so forth. Still, his manga is optimistic in the sense that it shows his strong belief in human spirit and strong will to live."

  http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/nausicaa/

  http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/manga/nausicaacharacters.html

  http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/manga/nausicaasamples.html

  http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/miyazaki/impact.html

  http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/nausicaa/article_ao_foundation.txt

  Miyazaki Short Interview:

  http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/interviews/vogue.html

  
  
  

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