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In Reply to: Nope! Excellent film. posted by Harmonia on March 27, 2003 at 21:46:12:
Don't suppose you've ever heard the phrase "chick flick" either.Maybe you should go to more movies...
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...even with tongue in cheek. I *do* like *good* flicks...along with the occassional cheese whiz.Don't be testy, Clark.
It's a mistake IMO to dismiss Spirited Away as a "girlie" or "children's" movie, although older children will certainly enjoy it. Childlike is, in fact, is fine with me. There's a big difference between child like and childish.
Personally, I find SA an enchanting and original film, imaginative in its use of dream and mythic imagery, and which included some subtle but well placed barbs directed at Japanese society/corporate culture (and the critical tide is with me on this). Even if one doesn't care to go beyond its surface pleasures, SA is a visually fascinating film.
My question, in fact, was sincere. I'm fine with the fact that you didn't find SA as appealing as I did. But...other than the protagonist being a young girl, I don't truly don't know what is particularly girlie or chick like, in the derrogatory sense, about this film. (In fact, the audience for it is predominently male, going by the demographics at the showings I caught.) Since you are apparently a thoughtful film goer, I was curious what specifically you thought was "girly" about Spirited Away. It's a comment that I have not seen leveled by any reviewer/critic at this film. SA is a LONG way from Britney Spears...
Or do you generally dismiss the fantasy genre as a matter of course?
I find it's the quality of watching, not the quantity, that enhances film appreciation. However, if you think I should, I will definitely go to more movies.
Seen in (in theaters) March:
Talk To Her
The Quiet American
Rabbit Proof Fence
Russian Ark
Oscar Shorts
The Guru
LOTR/TTTDarn, not a chick flick in there, unless you count the Almodovar...but March isn't over yet.
In fact, the audience for it is predominently male, going by the demographics at the showings I caught.)
----Not a chick flick or even 'girly fluff' by any sense of the imagination.
My reply was in response to the sarcastic, "'Girly?' Just what, pray tell, is that?" You knew perfectly well what I meant, as shown by this remark: "Darn, not a chick flick in there."Visual "surface pleasures" I find objectionable, especially when coupled to a scatter-headed, mysticism-lite plot and executed in faux-primitive cartooning style.
A woman/girl can be the protagonist in a picture and yet it needn't be "girly". There are films where the protagonist is a guy and it's still "girly". And by the way, Britney Sears is not girly. As for that being "a comment that I have not seen leveled by any reviewer/critic at this film", well, no one would dare! Look what happened to me...
clark
Oh: Rabbit Proof Fence. Girls, but not girly. However, a pack of lies. Can't be perfect!
Talk to Her: Half-girly I'd say. Note I also commanded everyone to see it.
BTW, why isn't it a surprise that you'ld use a misogynistically perjoritive word like "girly" to denigrate a film which failed to satisfy your own pretensious expectations?> > > "Look what happened to me..." < < <
I've gotta hand it to ya Clark, it takes a great deal of chutzpah to dismiss a film in such a spiteful manner, then turn around a couple of posts later and pretend to fall on your own (rubber?) sword like some misunderstood martyr. Perhaps the introduction of a new Oscar category for Best Acting on an Internet Chat Board will result in your being invited to the AMPAS Awards ceremony next year! ;^)
"...a misogynistically perjoritive word like 'girly' to denigrate a film which failed to satisfy your own pretensious expectations?"Boy you PC types slay me! You know perfectly well what a "girly film" or "chick flick" is, and recognize that they are made, but you forbid the use of those terms.
But no matter: Whatever term you may elevate now to proper use, will doubtless be found by your PC descendents of the future to be similarly objectionable. LOL!
As for my alleged pretensions, well, it is true that unlike yourself, who went to see Return to Planet of the Apes *twice*, I never bothered with the thing. Just a bunch of boy fluff.
Return to the Planet of the Uninformed Opinionated Reviewers would probably have a better shot of making a killing at the box office, especially if folks like you and Mr. Shepherd were the basis for the screenplay. ;^)
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