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Victor Khomenko

In Reply to: There are still questions about it. posted by edta on July 04, 2003 at 12:14:37:

Nothing wrong with asking plot related questions - we all do.
But therefore lies the damnation of 2001 - the plot overshadows everything else in that work.
Does it really? Not to all viewers. Some are still searching for elements of art... sure enough there are some - Kubrick would not be a Grand Master if he didn't put some even in his weak work. But they are far more scarce than in his best films.
Problem with concentrating on plot is that anyone can take a plot and make a movie... but only a master will make a masterpiece.
That is amply examplified by the many remakes of good movies, most remakes having the same plot - and the same plot related quesitons - but none usually of the caliber of the original.
I always say that art is not in the subject, it is in the means. In 2001 Kubrick got absorbed too much in the game aspect of the work, in the then revolutionary flashy effects and to some degree lost the track of his career.

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Nope , the special effects are the biggies - edta 20:33:56 07/04/03 (2)
Not the plot. Bigtime.
How do you feel about the film's critique of Homo Faber? I have noticed that you are very technically oriented and love superb machines.
Superb cinematography and images. The bone turning into the space station is a classic. This may not be the masterwork that Weidner describes but it is one of the top films of the 20th cen., no contest.
- Homo Faber the Book? - Victor Khomenko 06:16:14 07/05/03 (1)
  No, I don't recall that. When I watch a movie I usually leave my technical inclinations and love for machinery at the door.
  I never regret watching that film - I must have seen it three or four times - but I always quickly forget it. This is in comparisson to some other films that often linger in your mind for weeks. For instance the Solaris always casts long lasting spell on me. But then that one is almost completely anti-technical.
  - Ahem, the musical! - edta 06:43:08 07/05/03 (0)
    Ok, you do know that I was referring to man the toolmaker, right?
    I guess we differ on movies. When I go to a movie I like to think I bring everything I have to it.
    Check out old geezer's post with the Kubrick quotes from Playboy. That and Weidner's essay just about cover the philosophical aspects of 2001.
Re: Those are all *plot* related questions - JDK 13:45:44 07/04/03 (0)
The methods Kubrick used to communicate the reasonably simple plot were revolutionary. THAT was the movie.
Almost all visual and musical. Dialog is one of the least important aspects of the film. When everybody dies, they die in silence. It's still amazing.

Cheers
John K

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