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he was the great tragician.followed closely by Jacques Tati
Tragic and comic never one without the other that is what to say..But Fernandel was not very intelligent..and was more of a scholar of Raimu.
I think the best he did was the Don Camillo series. Still are good to see...Gino Cervi did a so good job on it too!
--..But Fernandel was not very intelligent..
what's you point? he can't be the greatest french actor?
since when did actors[and actresses]have to be intelligent?
No he can´t be. You have to possess a certain amount of culture.
Fernandel was more of an nature talent. But the greatest French actor..non mon vieux ..non!
Could be the best russian actor may be ? )) I just watched Jacques Villeret and J Balasko ... Un crime au Paradis .Nice little movie , they are both great .Jean
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Just kidding, Patrick...
Being a proletariat, I'd say Belmondo, Constantin, Aznavour...and throw in J-L. Trintingnant, as well.
Monsieur Bete (J. Marais), transv or not, deserves a vote or two.
(Gabin is just too easy a choice.)
Ah! This luxury proletarians...It was so quite and cool..so long you weren´t there ( where have you been..) on this board..
Quel Constantin? Eddie? or...
I can't believe you neglected to mention any women (in English, actor refers to both sexes, of course).
Dominique Sanda (what, you expected le grande dame Catherine? I always thought her sister more attractive...) is my nominee. "The Conformist," ahhhhhh. (Even Vic can't disagree, seeing as how he worships that anemic vehicle of self pity, "The Garden of the Finzi-Continis.")
And...I was thinking of Eddie C...
How should I say....what they seem to be...heu..
Spaak..She died not far away from where I live in Nice.
He was American.
He lived in the same town ( Germany ) as I do.. I meet him very often..was a nice guy...
The first time I saw him it was under the house I live with a beautiful lady..it was in the early 60´in Nice.
Ah....PS: I love English actress!!!
I mixed up..with Francoise Dorleac !!! The sister of Deneuve..she did die and she did have the pictorial in Playboy ( not bad..)
Sorry.
film "Il Sorpasso." That Lancia's exhaust had a permanent effect on me. Vittorio Gassman was unforgettable as the swashbuckling bon vivant. What has happened to this movie; I believe it was quite popular?
Do not know...Too long ago..I remember she had a Playboy pictorial too....
the young protegee (of Gassman) in the movie.
The only American actress in the same class as Spaak, Sanda, Dorleac, and Karina...was Carol Lynley. What a timeless beauty. I don't know why her career stopped short. I never criticized her performances too much because her appearance always seemed to obviate it.
Thank you, but this video is not to have anymore....
But before he comes back, let me throw in Rochefort - a decadent SOB, tons of style with a touch of high class arrogance!
By the way can be a fine actor too!
Daniel Auteuil in small dose can be quite acceptable too..( very small::)
Le grand & inimitable : Raimu.You may have trouble to understand in the sense of sweet Bambi ( see her post underneath) all the finesse and work of his acting..but trust me, he is great, and maybe the greatest of them all.
Check at:
Hey Patrick
Raimu came back to me after reading something on Pagnol.
Marius , Fanny , Cesar , la femme du boulanger , la femme du puisatier ..all sleeping somewhere in my mind . They show them quite often on french channels but living in Miami didn't help to refresh my memory .Grand bonhomme for sure !Jean
greatest french actoR was Francois-Joseph Talma.he was also my colleague.
hi Dmitry
Greatest tragedian of his time for sure with Lekain .In a different style , Moliere did pretty well too. You got lucky to know him )) For the XX century , Cuny would be the reference .Tete d'Or /Claudel 1959 : amazing !
Bonsoir Jeanla Trilogie from Pagnol is over his " Provence(niality) " still and as long true to us as we are humans.
Dated in details, and more actual that the last hollywood ever will be.
It is like Manon des sources...
L ´Eau vive...elle coule....vers Giono....
Patrick
Patrick,The difficulty in the task you've set is that I think it is much more difficult to appreciate subtle nuances in acting if you are not fluent in the language and know all the little cultural references and idioms.
A few years ago when I saw "Monsieur Hire" with a Parisian friend, our conversation afterwards made me realize how much more, how many more levels were communicated to her than to me and my child's-level French.
And conversely, it was interesting to me to have seen "Young Frankenstein" or in France "Frankenstein Junior" for the first time in a small cinema on the Champs-Elysee and notice that the French speakers and English speakers were laughing at different times. If I only read the French subtitles, I wondered how the French speakers found anything except the most visual humour very funny: [sound of the huge iron rings hitting the castle doors] Wilder with his face near Garr's breasts says, "What knockers!" referring to the door knockers but Garr glances at her cleavage and says "Oh, thank you doctor." But the subtitles had Wilder saying, "Excellents heurtoirs [de porte]!" so the gag was lost.
So, I think that to some degree, it is difficult to really penetrate such a complex art as acting of another culture enough to have extremely refined tastes. I have occasionally seen a little bit of movies from India (and I think they make 600-700 features per year there)- and which sometimes have three simultaneous subtitles. My friend from Hydersbad would point out the most renowned actors and how great they are, but it is a closed book to me.
But. it is the look into these other cultures that makes foreign film so fascinating and worth pursuing. At one time I wanted to learn Japanese almost only for "Seven Samurai".
Cheers,
Bambi B
As the most films are in the English language...And every thousand year, the traduction may be better than the original.
The " good " side of this, is that sometimes we think to find some kinds of refinement where there isn´t...As we all live from some kind of illusions..that won´t hurt!
AND, we have the feelings in us, reflected in a world of illusions and allusions, if we wouln´t we couldn´t go through the mirror.
And a prise of human snobism.
Votre dévoué,
Patrick
Lino ventura & Paul Meurisse & Daniel Gelin & Roger Hanin & Charles Boyer &Michel Piccoli and more - all gone-
...while the one you prefer may be... Philippe Noiret?Regards
BF
Yes he is great, but as I said before more a theater man.
Noiret is good and got class, remember waiting dor a taxi with him in front of the Ritz in Paris, a real gentleman farmer.
No the greatest is....
Bye, till this evening...someone may have the name....in the meantime.
Since we successfully turned this thread into remembering of great French actors, it would be a mistake not to mention Michel Simon.Over 100 films to his credit, and incredible taste in all the roles I have seen.
I remember of one of his last interview..his memeory was already gone ..and he knew it....
Could not find his way home, could not play anymore....
Plainly sad.
.
.
You see, I had the feeling that you may get it.
And you did.
Stay tuned on this board. We may want you among us.
PS : Bravo, and check my post above
BTW - it is easy to dismiss Delon, but he was prettty good in some earlier films. He is wonderful as Rocco.
Maybe when he has his affair with Visconti ( left Romy, for him..) he could be good in the hands of the master.
But you see I do not like too much..now he is very ...right ( Le Pen )
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Please be serious! The BEST!! Richard is an good actor..but the best? Of al time???
Not even attempting seriousness, today, sorry....
Eric the Shameless
:-)
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Alain is good...but the best ?
PatrickU,Il y a ainsi beaucoup, mais le choix doit etre l'un de ces derniers:
Adam French
Andrew French
Arthur French
Athol French
Bert French
Bill French
Bob French
Bruce French
Burt French
Charles K. French
Chuck French
Clive French
Colby French
David French (I)
Davis French
Dean French
Dennis French
Dick French
Dustin French
Edward French (I)
Ed French
F. French
Fuller French
George French (I)
George French (II)
George B. French
Gerald French
Grant French
Harold French
Harvey French
Herbert French
Howard French
Hugh French
Jack French
Jamar French
James French (I)
James French (II)
Jason French
Jay Jay French
John French (II)
John French (V)
Joseph French
Kenneth French (I)
Kenneth French (II)
Kenneth French (III)
Ken French
Lachlen French
Larry French
Leslie French
Lorin French
Mark French
Maurice French
Michael French (I)
Michael French (II)
Michael Bryan French
Mike French
Nathan French
Neal French
Neil French
Norman French
Philip French
Randy French
Ray French (II)
Richard K. French
Richard French
Rick French (I)
Rick French (II)
Robert French (II)
Rodney French
Ronnie French
Sean French (I)
Sir John French
Stephen French (III)
Steve French (II)
Ted French
Victor French
Eben French Mastin
French Napier
French Stewart
Ted French and His Hollywood Dancers
French Tickner
Adele French
Amy French
Antonia French
Barbara French
Betty French
Camille French
Cari French
Carol French (I)
Carol French (II)
Caroline French (I)
Cindy French (II)
Darlene French
Dawn French
Delphine French
De French
Eddie French
Elsie French
Fey French
Fonda French
Gay French
Georgia French
Gillian French
Gloriette French
Hazel French
Heather Renee French
J. French
Jacqueline French (I)
Jean French
Kari French
Kaylene French
Lynn French
Marilyn French (II)
Marinda French
Mary Ann French
Mary Jane French
Mary Meade French
Melody French
Mrs. R.E. French
Myra French
Nicki French
Norma French
Paige French
Patricia French
Peggy French
Peg French
Phyl French
Rachelle French
Rita French
Robbie French
Sadie French
Sarah French
Stacia French
Stasha French
Susan French (I)
Susie French
Suzannah French
Tami French
Tana French
Tina French
Tria French
Valerie French
Vanessa French
Yvonne French
Darcy French-Myerson
Florence Healey French
Judy French Mahon
.. mais autrement je dirai:Jean Gabin
et en partie en raison de mon amour pour la "Belle et la bete":
Jean Marais
Salut,Bam
...a travestite! C´mon sweet Bambi be MORE serious!
Au revoir ma chérie*...
Patrick* In the " travelo " voice...
Patrick,Apres avoir observe ce soir le discussion d'election de "rappel" de la California, je le trouverai difficile d'etre jamais serrieux encore!
Mais ma voix serieuse dans cette petit election demeure etonnant Jean Gabin. ***
Maintenant, sommeil, peut-etre au reve,Bambi
*** que je pense est l'egale du plus grand acteur de film anglais. Savez-vous a qui je me rafere?
Bonne nuit, Bambi.Alec? But there are so a many...Oliver I did really like, too. Not sexy rexi...Charles...very feminin but how could he be good....Leslie had charm too...
Actually we have so many GOOD english actresses!!! The best at the moment!
Patrick,Yes, you have it, I was thinking of the versatility of Gabin as being on the level of Charles Laughton.
Cheers,
Bambi B
Bonjour,
Gabin was very " rustical " Charles was more " versatile ".
And anyway I have an definitive " faible " for Anglo-Saxon " actors.
You guys are making my AltaVista translator tired.So - you love Fantomas too?
Victor,Но не только вечером!
Bam
That's pretty good, Bam! Studied at school?
Victor,Thanks for the kind words- that's encouraging.
I did study English, French, and German in school but I've always been fascinated with Russia and Russian culture*** so over the years I picked up a few words.
Honestly, I believe I know perhaps 100 words and have little syntax. To read, I have to study each letter to establish an overview. My pronunciation: A kind Russian friend says I sound like the noise resulting from backing a Moskvitch over a Dutch person..
But I just don't see how a person can get to understand other cultures without some of that language. I wish I knew Italian.
Victor, what other languages do you know?
Cheers,
Bam
*** For example: About five years in which I declared to listeners of my radio programme that Prokofiev was the greatest keyboard composer ever.
The subject line apparently turned into character map numbers. It should have said:Но я использовал слоева все мои уже!
BB
That was an old-fashoned way of constructing a sentence. A modern way would be 1-2-7-3-5-6-4.These days I am only good in English and Russian. I used to know German quite well, and a bit of Italian, but have not done any practice and they lie there rusting. I can still jump start myself on German, and have done that when traveling there, but I don't use it normally.
The Russian culture is incredibly rich, rivaling those of France, Germany, England, Italy, but it is younger of course. I never lost my love for it - I feel sorry for come Russian immigrants who leave such a beautiful culture behind.
The Italian language is incredibly fascinating to me - I just love its music - that is linked or course to my love for Italian opera. Never studied French.
Russian language is tremendously difficult for an English-speaking individual, with some sounds completely impossible - I guess this is our payback to them for making jokes about our accent. There is no American who can pronounce the simple things like Tanya right. They all say Tan'ya. There are other difficult spots. The Russian grammar is real torture, with rules that read like whole chapters from Britanica - you can't learn it by the textbook, when each rule breaks up into twenty sub-rules, all with exceptions.
Victor,Yes, I just can not keep everything in order. Early on, I thought that Russian had a wonderful casualness and the rules were actually lax, and with a different approach to indefinite articles (compared to German), Russian was more free-form, but as I learned a little more, it was obvious that I was just unaware of all the modifying rules that were being invisibly applied all the time.
As for pronunciation, that fooled me at first too. I am reasonably good at imitating sounds, but there is a subtlety in Russian when there are combinations of sounds that I just can not do. Individually, there is less mystery, but like French in which there are constant contractions of articles into verbs, spoken Russian has a sensation of long, convoluted strings of sounds. I also thought that this would be like the long combination words in German- but it is not. I have to repeat things several times to train myself for each sentence!
I would love to be able to read Pushkin and Gogol in the original. O.K., Checkhov and Nabakov too.
When do I get my second lifetime?
Cheers,
Bambi B
You are right that the sentence building rules are basically non-existent in Russian, but that simply means that you can build many different constuctions where English would only allow one, and each one would have different flavor.You can take a simple 3 or 4 word sentence and move those few words into all possible configurations, and each one will have its appropriate use - with some overlap, of course, but still, many more verieties than in English or German.
All languages have something unique about them, but even more importantly, people think differently in different languages - making good translation of stream of thoughts so much more challenging.
Maybe we all should become cats with their nine lives...
Victor,I wanted to mention too that you're writing on English is quite amazing for a second language- idiomatic, large vocabulary, better speling than mine, clear technical writing, and complex constructions. How did you learn?
If you don't mind my asking, how would you describe your speaking?
The Russians I know are all enthusiastic conversationalists and take it seriously. And murderous as chess players..
Bam
Thank you Bam for your kind words - I hope at least some of them are deserved. I taught myself. When I decided to leave the USSR I began my study, and after about nine months I could read newspapers and maintain a conversation.One tool I found completely indispensible in learning new language is the existance of adapted books. In Russia the foreign language studies were conducted at very high level. They had created the whole slew of books with texts appropriate for all grades - all the way to the university language department level. Those books were small, and each one would have the dictionary in the back - the one tailored for that particular book. That is much more quick and convenient than using a large dictionary, in effect promoting such reading - on a bus, subway, etc. By going through such a book you would pick up perhaps a 100 new words and some new structures. I started with the very simplest ones, and just kept reading them non-stop. In addition I bought a very good English grammar book.
My spoken English varies depending upon the situation, mood, level of nervousness, etc. When I am relaxed and in friendly surrounding it can get pretty natural and fluent, but at other times it can be stiff and lacking any eloquency. I do have a pretty heavy accent.
If you can find a group of culturally oriented Russian immigrants, then that could be very interesting and stimulating environment. We are fortunate to have many such friends. I consider Dmitry a member of that group, BTW - we meet sometimes. But as any other group, the Russians come in many shapes, and some can be outright ugly.
Victor,Sorry, if you mean the 60's Marais film in which he plays a double role of criminal mastermind and journalist, I have only heard about it. I went through an overly-long Bergman, Murnau, Eisenstein, Truffaut, Fellini, and Bunuel phase since becoming interested in foreign film and have never caught up.
It's certainly intriuging since Fantomas is said to be more "American" in it's action and dynamics but still psychologically French.
Do you recommend it?
Cheers,
Bambi B
Fantomas was incredible for us as teenagers growing up in the communist Russia. It was obviously just a silly spoof, but it provided so much material we were all so hungry for! All that Western life, beautiful men and women.... women.... you can say that again, Patrick!... we all had hots for Lady Beltham... those sleek cars and Jean's suits - man, that was LIFE!To a sophisticated adult it would most likely look just toooo silly, but when you are 13 - it's a different story.
For many years Fantomas was the most famous movie character in Russia.
But I think it had its funny moments, so perhaps just out of curiocity if you come across that marvel, take a look.
And de Funes - he certainly had his VERY funny moments in the movies. What was the name of that movie, Patrick, where he played a charismatic poacher Blerot (?)? Some of his early movies were indeed fun to watch, even though leter his act became a bit tired.
After Bergman, Murnau, Eisenstein, Truffaut, Fellini , Fantomas will look quite different . Kind of James Bond from the 60s ,Jean Marais doing most of the stunts .Only goal was to entertain so don't expect a great scenario but still some action and fun . Louis de Funes plays in most of them.Last one from 1965 supposed to be the best . A un peu vieilli...
JFT,Interesting. I had heard that Marais is quite good as the shadowy Fantomas but as you say, the overall treatment is said to be a bit dated to the 60's action style.
Not "Diabolique".. but not even "Diabolique" was when remade.
Cheers,
Bambi B
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Pure pleasure...he was the aristocrat of the film..timing ..invention... erudition... manipulative of the French language...
He had it all.
Look at the poor soul now trying to be an actor.
Jouvet was not bad, he is great and one of my favorite...but not the best....( of course, there nothing like the best..)
Try harder...before Victor comes with louis de Funes....or Jean Marais.....
She mentioned Marais - what woman would not? - and Gérard Philipe, of course.But I am not getting my hopes high - I know how different everything looks from inside.
Gérard, he had class, but he was more a theater man, Anya was more than right....with Louis...
One of the better French comic actor was Bourvil, if not the best.
So, still no clue ?
No Belmondo or Delon please..Jean
No worry, that can NOT happen!
It is really one of the greatest if not THE greatest...
The name will come....
But i have the certain feeling that you could find out...TRY HARDER..So Victor was close too!
I guess the de FUnes joke will follow me into my grave! :-))))Bourvil is one of my favorite persons - an extremely subtle and human actor, but somehow I don't see him to reach the greatness level of people like Gabin, IMO.
But again - this is looking from outside, through a rather limited window.
If we even get over this hurdle, I will ask you to name the greatest Russian actor... just to see you suffer a bit too!
You are, as always right..it will spell a long shadown over your grave....The only " faux pas" in a long fautless career....But you know people are more remember for they faults as for their sins...which is not obligatory the same.
Bourvil = subtle. Absolutely. I would not think to compare him to anyone else...he was a very funny and tender singer too! " Salade de Fruits...jolie..jolie..Damn! How is the time running out...
I will suffer.I promess.
"Greatest" is a very hard to define word, and as such, given I am taking just one shot, I am sure I will miss yours, but I will proudly nominate Jean Gabin.Am I allowed the second shot?
Fernandel.
Too early to give my opinion, there is maybe some having an another name.....
He is recognised in France as the greatest.
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