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In Reply to: Oh! Why do I hate ( no, not Paris ) flashback in films ? or an very good question...but you need YOUR brain..... posted by patrickU on September 26, 2003 at 10:33:16:
Patrick,I agree that the flashback technique is very rarely well integrated into the story and tends to break the stream of events. Flashbacks may not be as annoying (to me) as people who suddenly break into music and dancing, but it is often a way to establish events and characters that would be time better spent in the "real time" action. I would rather that any necessary history be done before the "current" action begins.
It does require far more intelligence to impart history to characters without blurting it out. One of the reasons I think "The Third Man" is so brilliant is the way Reed avoided cheaply revealing the character of Herry Lime in flashbacks- it would have been so much easier, but completely destroyed the whole mystery. The Kevin Costner version will be very different!
The one movie in which I think flashbacks are are nicely done is "The Godfather Part II" in which the juxtapositions of young Vito Corleone in old New York - and all the traditional realtionships- contrast to Micheals' modern alienation and the breakdown of tight family> neighbourhood> society structure. Remember the flashback scenes of young Vito and his family life immediately contrasted with Micheal's conversation with his mother, "Can a man lose his family?" In this one case, I think the flashbacks really effectively show how the world changed around the Corleones and strengthen the story.
Still, that success is very rare. My mother used to groan when a flashback appeared as, "time for another episode of 'Flashback Theatre'".
Patrick, la fois prochaine nous pouvons parler d'un autre problem de film : ordres d'reve !
Cheers,
Bambi B
Follow Ups:
The second nuisance is when as you said..they break into music like in this horrible French film " Les Parapluies de Chebourg ".
The Third man was never one of my favorite, even I do respect it, and all is well set in this movie from brillants actors to B&W...but I misse something, maybe it try too hard to be a film noir...the camera angle did not work too well maybe..it was no " Rosebud"...
Another film that did work with this technique was " Casablanca ".
You mother was right.
What do you mean with : ordres de rêve ?
I know what you must feel all the time with my bad English....
Bises,
Patrick
Patrick,I liked "The Third Man" probably because it had just that little touch of the surreal- but not too much to become fantasy- something I generally like in Bunuel too.
With "ordres de reve" I was thinking of "sequences (what is better to say than 'ordres'?) of dreams" as another kind of break in time in films. And similar to flashbacks in that these are difficult to do well and can contribute or detract from the story.
Now dream sequences are often replaced by virtual reality: "Total Recall" and "The Cell" for example. The new techno-public must find virtual reality mre convincing than dreams.
Je suis desole avec le sujet de mon Francais- si une voiture il est egale a une 2CV rouile. Mais votre anglais est tres expressif et a parfois un genre interesse de qualite poetique.
Cheers,
Bambi B
Bonsoir,
Bunuel are more like " daydreams " who comes true...erotically speaking, of course, he used them for his acid social critics...particulierement contre l ´Église...
Maybe.."serie de rêves"...
As long you are not la 2CV..rouillée, pardonnez moi mon manque de respect....
Merci!PS: J´admire toujours votre point de vue!
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