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So what did he say?
If public was actually thinking what to do with its spare time, most movies in theaters today would be dead before anyone actually read the scripts.
Most movies I watch today either come from Europe or are at least 20 years old.
Well I'm always on the lookout for classic movies as I expand my DVD collection. My favorites include a few movies which were produced before this 20 year rolloff put up by Pollack. The Godfather Saga being the first that comes to mind. However I recently purchased "The Deer Hunter" on DVD, a winner of 5 acadamy awards including best picture and I was absolutely bored throughout the whole movie. It lacked continuity as it jumped around and I never became emotionally involved. I also bought "Once Apon A Time in America" and again was left wondering how this film was a classic. Im not adverse to a long film, in fact I often wish films were longer and more epic in nature. I could sit through extended versions of all three Lord of the Rings titles and still want more.I have seen Gladiator more times than I can count and still admire the character of Maximus for his simple honesty, courage and the excellent performance by Russel Crowe.
Exorcist was great but Exorcist III scares the beans out of me.
Aliens is better than any War of the Worlds film transfers.
Band of Brothers is simply the best look inside a soldiers trials and tribulations ever made.
Dances with Wolves regardless of historical accuracy made me cry.
Braveheart had a bit of everything. Mel wasnt exactly the perfect scott but the movie had flavor. It was fun and sad, exciting and dramatic, a look into what things might have been like during such times.
We have had two fantastic westerns based on Wyatt Earp. Both "Tombstone" and "Wyatt Earp" were great in their own way. None of the older westerns grab me the same way these two have.
I could go on and on.. Unbreakable, Fith Element, Snatch, Contact, Xmen, Fried Green Tomatos (yes this was great!), Blackhawk Down .. etc etc. Yes Mr. Lucas completely destroyed ep1 and ep2 but for few failures in modern Hollywood there also seems to be a classic.
Strange it seems I prefer movies from Mr. Pollacks "deteriorated age" of the last 20 years. Perhaps I have a "short attention span" and want the "clothes off fast or the gun out quick" but I obviously would disagree.
I think older films allowed more room for audience perception to fill in the gaps of what could be considered conservative performances by most actors of the time. Today a great film requires a great script but also VERY convincing performances by the actors involved.
Vedric
"I think older films allowed more room for audience perception to fill in the gaps"Or, as I would say:
"I think good films allow more room for audience perception to fill in the gaps."
Imagination, thoughtfulness, education, intelligence, ah, fuck it! Give me some F/X!
"Shove it up your ass and light it with a match." - a rather frustrated moderator.
I enjoy movies with actors that have more to offer than boring, conservative interpretations of a script. Its like "emotional dynamic range". Some actors have it and some dont. Many older films in my opinion follow a script in strict order and fail in bringing forward the emotional/situational content of a scene. As if they try too hard in being accurate to the book or script and forget the emotional and situational nuance of the scene. Many (not all) older classics seem grey in color (no pun) and boring.If I want uncolored material that allows me to fill in the blanks I will read the book! I wont cry because 'great' movies of today attempt to use an actors complete dynamic range to flesh out the picture as seen through the directors eyes. Get it Sparky?
At any rate, whats your beef with modern movies and use some examples. Maybe you could include some acting examples as well? Just remember we are comparing great movies here, not flops vs. classics. Perhaps I ask too much? I already know the answer to that one..
Vedric
American Beauty, Finding Forrester, Goodwill Hunting, etc. etc.vs.
Anything by
Bergman
Renoir
Atonioni
Hitchcock
or
pre-1990 Woody AllenIt's the director's fine honing of his art - a sort of minimalism, if you will, vs. the "sledgehammer" approach of modern day Hollywood.
There are a few exceptions, of course, but by and large, Hollywood is only good at escapism fare. And the problem isn't the existence of escapism fare, it's the absence of substantial alternatives.Sorry if my previous post was a little too "spunky". My diet is limiting my wine intake - and it's making me damn irritable!
"Shove it up your ass and light it with a match." - a rather frustrated moderator.
I just like calling people Sparky and you offered me the perfect chance!Vedric
You seems to be the perfect " con sumer "
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But let me first explain what I meant.
He is the perfect " con sumer "
Irony.
Con ( en Francais )Check out.
Do you copy me now...?
Faithfull is my name.
#Shame on you, Thomas! ( the apostle )
...what I am curious about is your impression of the "Faithless".Man, getting you talk about that film is turning out harder than getting Clinton admit his affair... with that woman... Ms Lewinski.
What exactly do you mean ?
nt
Taking break from watching movies? Nicht gut...
On a buisness trip...speeding at 280 ( love that freedom...) on a German Autobahn directly to Rosenheim ( Bayern ) I must tell you you that it is a very nice place and the people are very sweet & kind...beautiful restaurants, good beers..mountains with snow, cold and wet...stormy...welcome to the Autumn season!
Now I seat in my living room with an huge fire burning and warming my old bones...
Yes, I am back*!
*For not too long..I will live for Nice in a few days, as we are having our annual gathering with our " gang ", and then to Montpellier where my niece is marrying...( more tha 120 guests and food for one year..I suppose.
Thatīs life...
A mixe of boredom and hectic...We are lucky to have books & Music & film and...
has happened in Hollywood. He' s partially correct about attention span, but the advent of the blockbuster, coupled with the disastrous writers' strike several years ago has played a larger roll in eroding Hollywood "bighouse" quality.
Something similar happened years ago in popular music; the major labels invested so much in contracts to aging superstars that nothing was left over to nurture and promote young, promising musicians.
BTW, since you mentioned M. Mastroiaini: I think Bill Murray, in Lost in Translation, does a pretty good imitation...
That is not some kind of offense under capitallist system.The public IS however largely responsivle for the decline in taste - you might want to see my post on the Outside called Scum-R-Us. We, as the public, set the tone and demand, and the movie makers deliver.
They do monitor the sales and what makes teh registers ring... but it is US who votes with our money for what we want to see next.
There is definitely some element of positive feedback in that relationship, but I still believe the public carries the prime responsibility.
An immitation of Mastroiani? That's a double yak.
amazed at what people could be led to do and believe.
Madison Ave. is not people with morons. If you're told McDonald's is cool for long enough, you'll believe it.
(I'll omit political ramifications which could lead to squabbling).
Most people are sheep, easily swayed into thinking this or that.
Advertising works. Hollywood has figured out a way to make more money, true. "We," I suppose, could boycott films (especially the mindless serial crap, like Star Wars, Star Trek has become) and cause a revolution. I'm not holding my breath.
We are seeing it big time now in our country's politics.Regarding movies, the older stuff 70's and pre was better than the later IMO--except for foreign flics. Has anyone topped the American screen plays of the thirties and forties? They are literate, and witty! How fucking unusual in today's milieu.
I can relate to what you wrote. I did a paper in college about Hitler's PR techniques and how he "lifted" them from American advertising practices. The mass of people are easily deceived is the bottom line.
America's contribution? Hah!
...all the more reason to see Open Range, Lost in Translation and even Out of Time. They offer, but do not suffer from, the longheurs.clark
Unfortunately those also offer Kevin Costner, Bill Murray and Denzel Washington.Is there any chance I could order mine with different actors?
Say, Clint Eastwood, Marcello Mastroianni and Jack Nicholson?
While it's impossible to say that all films today are bad -- they did, after all, make movies like "Smokey and the Bandit," "Cannonball Run," and "Every Which Way but Loose" in the '70s -- a good number are.As well, movies are expected to make a lot of money, and to do so they must appeal to a large audience. In order for that to happen they are basically mimicking television productions that reach out to the mass market. We had crap back when, we just have a lot more of it today.
Doug Schneider
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