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In Reply to: ...dull, awkwardly written biopics about fantastically over-rated megalomaniacs? posted by rhizomatic on October 15, 2003 at 08:08:36:
The problem Victor and you, had already a mind for this " artist " I did not. He was new terrain for me, course I had heard his name and certainly had see some of his pictures somewhere. So I was a relative virgin..on this one. And I did not certainly spare the man in my critic having to rely entirely from this fim in the good faith that in will be a true rendition of his life...
So you can imagine that the written bio is entirely strange to me, so I have no clue what did Harris or did not to him...But as I like this guy I have rely on him..So it goes..
-Well we do agree on Harris performance and on the score too, that makes two ( i hope it did come through my critic!
I have my problem ( language ? ) what did you found irritating in what you describe as " Art History 101 " I have not the feeling as they was! You mean the blah blah of the critics?
But critics and artists do some times talk that way..if you look at the great galerists and artists loke Picasso and many others biographies I had read this kind of " spirit " was there... Or do I miss the sense of what you are trying to tell me ?
But I see that you are irritate on this transposition and deformed or simplified look at art...you are right but what can one expect in such a short time..better? you may be certainly right!
The " Frida " film was another example...Diego was well put and the film did have some sparks of creativity, helas no real" profondeur " as for the main "personnage"I did like this movie for not the same reason you did dislike it.
It was for the real feeling of real life. Not an romantise one just, what I see around me in others people life as in mine, and that I did appreciated.
We just saw two different films....Salut.
Follow Ups:
I was talking about the dialogue going out of its way to spell out the background history and contemporary context of the art. The example that I can think of is when Lee Krasner says something like, "Well, Jackson, this isn't really cubism because you're not breaking down the figure." Huh? I don't know anybody who might say anything that weirdly didactic to another artist. She goes--rather, Harris (or whoever adapted the script) has her go out of her way just to bring up this very miniature definition of cubism, in order to demonstrate how Pollock broke from it. And there's other instances of that throughout the film. It reminds me, like I said, of the scenes in Godard's movies where he has some character musing about the history of cinema or the effects of consumption or urban planning, or something, except in 'Pollock,' of course, it's not meant to be funny or self-conscious.I can imagine that you might've liked it for the same reasons I didn't, and much as I'm weirded out to admit it, I agree with Victor, I just find Pollock the man to be insufferable, and I probably didn't have any reason to expect the film to be any different.
What is your first language? German? You seem to have easy access to accent marks that don't appear on my keyboard...
--The example that I can think of is when Lee Krasner says something like, "Well, Jackson, this isn't really cubism because you're not breaking down the figure." Huh? I don't know anybody who might say anything that weirdly didactic to another artist.i can think of 1000 way more didactic things one artist can say to another, believe me!
Sure. But that line especially has the quality of a CliffNotes summation. I mean, if someone just walked up to you and said, "Dmitry, this painting is good, but clearly it bears no relationship to the work of Gerhard Richter (Germany, born 1932), who has been instrumental in moving German art away from its infatuation with American pop art and towards abstraction." I mean...it just seemed so desperate to have her point out what the work was not, just so's to be able to give people a fortune-cookie sized definition of cubism.See what I mean?
what if i say,"rhizo, you know, georg baselitz's infatuation with soutine is so felt at times that it makes me less interested in baselitz and more interested in soutine."how's that for didactic?
he he
But if you were to say, "Rhizo, you know, the infatuation Georg Baselitz, a primary proponent of German neo-expressionism, feels for Chaim Soutine, an oft-overlooked Lithuanian painter at work during expressionism's original flourishing, makes me more interested in Soutine and less interested in Baselitz," then that would be annoying.
"rhezo, old chum, Soutine is not really Lithuanian per se, I'd say. He grew up in Borovichi[?] near Minsk. But close enough to Lithuania where he spent some time. His friendship with Modigliani and expressionist genius coupled with torment of private life could have made a great biographic film."
Modigliani a very passionate painter...
So it's 'rhezo' now...I fear for the integrity of my moniker in the face of such wanton butchery...So are you just partial to the expressionist end of the spectrum? Where else do your tastes in paintin' lie?
The point, really, is that your example is an instance not so much of an artist being didactic but of the film being didactic and doing so with clumsy, transparent, dramatic exposition to boot. I don't imagine that Pollock needed to be told what cubism was, so clearly at that moment we have a character speaking past his interlocutor to the audience, thus destroying the suspension of disbelief, etc., etc. That's just bad writing.
if we want to be fair, the quote you posted is not complete.here's the complete quote.
-Well, Jackson, this isn't really cubism because you're not breaking down the figure...
-I know that, you crazy bitch!
Yes this was more than enerving! Cubism..hum... In the film I did not have the feeling that Pollock did actually knew what..cubism was...
No,I still think that we had two different bias to look at..I glide easily on what you did dislike to concentrate on what I did like.
No more can be said...
Francais.
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