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In Reply to: Re: Silent Movies: Two comments on your fine post posted by rico on November 20, 2003 at 13:12:05:
rico,Thanks for the kind words- it's a good topic isn't it?
1. Yes, isn't that amazing about "Potemkin"- that the steps scene can be referenced 80 years later and be recognized? The train station shoot out in "The Untouchables" was very effective. I remember a parody even in "The Simpsons"- if a cartoon can use it, it must be pervasive.
Now you've got me thinking of the Woody Allen reference and I'll have to remember it or go bonkers! I can picture the pram bumping along too.
Because of the violence to children involved, I am reminded of the powerful- and silent- scene in "M" where Lorre takes the child behind some bushes and the ball rolls out by itself- all the violence sublimated into silence- chilling to remember. This was much more powerful without sound and without actually seeing the murder. Today, the blood would be spraying all over to shrieks and smarmy James Horner scoring.
2. Excellent point about "2001"- quite true. Thinking about that one, I realize how much of the movie is actualy with little or no sound- the spacecraft external shots, Kier in the Moon shuttle, walking around the monolith, the scenes outside Discovery when HAL lauches an astronaut off into space. "2001" would probably be as comrephensible to most people with no dialogue!
Cheers,
Bambi B
Follow Ups:
There is no dialog at all for the first 19 minutes. What dialog then ensues is very perfunctory and banal. And after Hal is terminated there is no dialog at all!Was the Woody film "Love and Death"? (One of his funniest).
Best regards, Rico
Rico,Yes, the apes' discovery of technology was very srong without dialog or voice over. I have often thought about "2001" that the people were made purposely grey and lifeless- kind of appendages to the technology. Remember the cold, perfunctory birthday phone call between Discovery and his parents? In some ways I though that aspect was brilliant- the sublimation of the people to the machines- all the focus on brand names and how the shuttle galley works, the 'gravity' shoes, and etc are more focussed on than the characters who have no real personality.
And many, many thanks for mentioning "Love and Death". You are the prize winner here today- I'm sure you're correct.
Cheers,
Bambi B
I totally agree with your observation about the dehumanized people in 2001. This has been my impressio0n since first seeing it in Cinerama in 1968, the first of hundreds of screenings. I love when, on the Moon bus, the host congratulates Floyd on "...a hellava spech. I'm sure it beefed up morale".2001 is my favorite film and I've owned it on every video incarnation and now have the splendid anamorphic 5.1 DVD where they finally got it right.
Of late, I've come to enjoy how the "feud" between Frank and Hal gets off to a subtle start from the gitgo when Poole refers to Hal as "just another person" (how insulting to a computer!).
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