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In Reply to: The Last Lieutenant posted by albee33 on November 30, 2003 at 11:35:22:
Would you be kind enough to give details as to the Director cos I cant find this film and would love to see it, theres a great Finnish film called the Winter War which is a pince-nez and a drop of cognac too
WW2 kicked off with the invasion of Gdansk Poland in September 1939, and was all over in Europe by June 1945, so I dont think 1948 would be too accurate
Eric
Follow Ups:
I should have known the date irregularity would generate great heat in the ayslum world. 8^)You will enjoy it.
Eric
I'm a sucker for WWII movies. But thios one looks hard to get.
The Winter Was is also available, but it is expensive. I paid crazy money for my VHS, today you can get the DVD for $45. I saw some sold on ebay for under $30.I followed eric's advice and got it, and it is good film, but probably not as good as he stated - he felt it was among the best, if not THE best war movie... I think it is not quite there.
The quality of the tape is awful, so perhaps the DVD would be better. If you want to borrow the tape you are welcome... after all those Sokurov's films this one might even strike you as having good image quality!
Deal.
I will send you Mr.Arkadin, if you haven't seen it. Questionable copy, but not terrible.
and that may have colored my opinion of this. Shame you got a poor quality VHS that cost a lot
How does this film compare to Come and See, or other war films you would recommend that you consider better?
So much of this genre is jingoistic, or plain garbage
Graham
I am sure the image quality played its role - it was extremely distracting. So I am considering swallowing hard and shelling out $45 for the DVD now. After I am through the W&P fiasco, I guess.The movie had power, and it was from the fact it was not some polished ala-Hollywood production (something as ugly as Saving Private Ryan is the best example of that kind of dishonest war movie making), but an almost amateurish film where there was no room for cliche's and lies.
That "peasants" honesty and raw truth were very obvious. By "peasant" I mean it was not made by some "intellectual" elitist producer/director, but by someone close to the story, almost a participant.
It reminded me more of the Bicycle Thief with its poignancy, than some celluloid war story.
In that sense it was much close to the Paths of Glory than to FMJ - staying with one director for a second. And that is also why I would always consider the Paths a superior film to the FMJ.
Come and See is not the film I would consider very strong at all. It is a shocker, but where the Winter War simply tells the simple story of simple people dealing with a horrible ordeal, Come and See is trying to impress, and it shows. Artificiality and embelishments, if you will.
So I would like to delay my final judgement of the Winter War until I have the chance to see it in its full glory on a large screen - hopefully the DVD will do that. Then I will know better whether in my view it belongs with the war movies I love - the likes of the Paths of Glory, Grand Illusion, Forbidden Games, Cranes are Flying and perhaps a few others.
Full Metal Jacket, of course.
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