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In Reply to: Who were/are the "Real Men" in the movies? posted by Bambi B on December 08, 2003 at 09:19:53:
... exactly who the "Real Men" are or were in hollywood, or anywhere else for that matter (partly because the only absolute basis for a determination of manhood might be the presence of natural gonads..?). But, if I were forced to be a real man and give a brisk, off-the-cuff opinion? I'd say that that a "Real Man" is one who does exactly as he wants, and who wants according to what he is. Therefore, Popeye The Sailor is the only man among the hollywood crowd who qualifies...
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vocalion,My question concerns those character attributes that the movies present as "male"- and whether you see these as positive influences- or contrived, stereotypes, etc. Complicated as hell, but I think not silly in light of modern movies.
The lines get blurred as we're seeing a lot more women action heroes- "Lara Croft", "Crouching Tiger/Hidden Dragon", Linda Hamilton in the "Terminator" franchise, as these characters are not possessors of the "natural gonads" but are co-opting traditionally male roles and could all be interchanged with men in those roles.
Popeye: "I yam what I yam" is as good a criterium as any I can think of! The idea of being true to one's nature through self knowledge- seems to me the first principle of success as a human.
Cartoon or no, Popeye was shown as honourable, truthful, and a protector of the weak and these stand high on my list of positive attributes for anyone.
Cheers,
Bambi B
... as a "Real Man". Have you ever seen that great old movie entitled "Dodsworth"? Huston, the leading man in this classic film stood up admirably to the forces of drastic changes in his life. And in particular to a real man's worst enemy - his wife! It takes real machismo to do this without inflicting physical damage upon the source of annoyance. Resilience is of prime importance! Speaking of which, I'm thinking of another of Huston's great roles in "Treasure Of The Sierra Madre". Can you imagine a better example of a real man? Wise, gritty, driven, sharp, strong, humorous, flexible, and last but not least - always hungry! Excuse me now, I gotta go get something to eat...
Dodsworth...a charming outaded film....But John father was a solid actor.
They are just a part of a mosaic, and that was the question...
... I did answer the question.
I did NOT miss it.
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