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In Reply to: Before Dmitry beats me to the punch... I'll submit the nomination for Tikhonov posted by Victor Khomenko on December 08, 2003 at 11:08:30:
Victor,Yes, I would put Peck at or near the top of my list- he was always in roles that were principled ("Mockingbird"), intelligent, resourceful, compassionate, a little world weary ("Command Decision") and always with just enough self-doubt ("Gray Flannel Suit") that we could see his character could learn and grow.
I am only a medium fan of Bogart as he is so detached. Aside: I am always amazed at the number of people that consider "Casablanca" the greatest film ever made- it is such a contrived, cartoonish pro-war statement it may as well have been a Marvel "graphic novel".
Cary Grant, I like quite a lot- his portrayals have good humour and appropriate level of self-parody, but you're right that he is not often in roles with a traditional "real man" edge. "Suspicion" shows him as weak, immature and without purpose. in "Philadephia Story" he may win back Hepburn, but he she is certainly the stronger. "bringing Up Baby" he just an amiable, lovable nerd and Hepburn agian has to take charge to make anyything happen. On the other hand, he did get things done in "Notorious" and "To Catch a Thief", and had that great comic bluster in "His Girl Friday". But he certainly doesn't seem to be operating anywhere near the kind of solid inner core of Peck.
Irons is someone who's often seems a bit inscrutable, the ordinary fellow, an observer, plunging into intense situations and engaging them. This is a powerful technique I think. One of the things that I like Irons in most of all was an early one, the Granada serialisation of "Brideshead Revisited" where he is amazing as the not too self-possessed middle class young man caught in the charming web of the English upper class. Boy, did I see that exact type at Cambridge- (and it happened to me too!)- but Irons did it better than the real guys.
Now, about this fellow Tikhonov...?
Cheers,
Bam
Follow Ups:
You'd get his name off the list pronto. Almost pathologically thin.
Must be the cocain...
Dmitry,Yes, there were a few bath scenes and he gets busy with Diana Quick on the Queen Mary in "Brideshead Revisited".
I can see him on the poster now, "Men have eating disorders too!"
Is he the coke head? I've never heard that.
Cheers,
Bam
He also readily shows parts of his body in Damage.
Largely agree.In my view the Real Man is not a perfect one, but the one who could indeed be a real person. That's where Bogart falls out.
Ditto for Eastwood and the whole slew of other "idealists".
So I would be talking about a real life man who nonetheless does show the strenght and character that are while not too common, are still possible and admired.
That is why I mentioned Tikhonov as an obscure actor with those qualities. In many ways he is not too different from Peck, as he is never perfect, but he is a good human with good aspirations in most of his roles.
To me this is far more "real" than being able to shoot ten people with five bullets... having just watched Fistfull of Dollars last night... he-he...
This also presents an interesting question about someone like Gabin.
He is a contraversial choice in my mind, as he borders on that "larger than life" image, while still remaining extremely approachable.
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