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Troy

New Yeards Eve my wife and I slipped out to the movies. She wanted to see the "Last Samurai". So we went to the nicest theater in our area, the one with the stadium seats that are actually comfortable. Samurai was really pat and obvious. I find Zwick's movies to be a terrible bore. Everything seems over art-directed which makes his heavy handed and plodding direction feel trite and pretentious. Does anybody remember the movie "The Big Picture" directed and written by Christopher Guest? The one where Kevin Bacon is the film student. At the beginning it shows him winning a student film competition and there was one obnoxious student that had made a terribly over-ripe civil war epic. Zwick's movies remind me of that. The guy
After it ended, we were walking out of the theater and we walked past the box that was showing LOTR in 7 minutes. We shared a glance and walked right in. For free? Why not.
I have to say, I was very entertained. yeah, it's too damn long and has far too many endings that just got progressively more sappy until the final one that lingered on the 4 hobbits for what seemed like 90 seconds each. It was nauseating. Gollum was a riot. Once again, he was the best actor in the movie. Many of the human actors suffered from "blue-screen-itis": They have a slightly dazed and confused look on their faces, like they are not looking at what we are. But I tell ya, the battle sequences were stunning. Yes, the FX will be dated in a few years, but right now, it truly is state of the art.
6 hours in a movie theater. Hardcore.

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Todays word is disfunctional. - Prokofief 19:24:03 01/06/04 (8)
Hi boys and girls, do we know what disfunctional means?
- Oh, booo hoooo - Troy 22:59:18 01/06/04 (7)
  You said something insulting. You're a meanie!
  Did I say something you don't like? I'd be delighted to discuss it with you further . . . if you'd care to elaborate.
  Or do you just wish to continue with the personal crap?
  - you started this b.s. not me. - Prokofief 10:38:13 01/07/04 (6)
    in the future maybe you should just keep the personal insults to yourself and stick to constructive coments. By the way you don't appear to have many friends on here. I wonder why?
    - 'Fraid not, chum - Troy 11:22:03 01/07/04 (5)
      You show me where I flung personal insults at you or anyone else first. I believe you started with me by calling the group that didn't like Seabicky "pretentious snobs" I countered you by further explaining mu position on that movie and not being insulting. Then you posted "Troy,You sound like a bitter unhappy person". So who's getting personal first?
      And here you just call me "disfunctional" without saying anything else. So who's getting personal first?
      I give back what I get.
      I have strong opinions. Some people don't like 'em. Tough. You, and anyone else, should have enough strength in your own convictions to not be hurt by my opinions to the point where you need to take it personally.
      I won't stick to strictly constructive "happytalk" posts. You'll find I'm about 50/50. If I think something is bad, I will say so, regardless of popular opinion. You don't have to agree with me and would enjoy debating the merits of things we're both familiar with. But no, you just want to get personal.
      Who'd want to be your friend, anyway?
      - Troy, you are a very sick person. nt. - Prokofief 13:01:38 01/08/04 (4)
        
        In Reply to: 'Fraid not, chum posted by Troy on January 07, 2004 at 11:22:03:
        
        nt.
        
        Oh come ON! - Troy 15:41:25 01/08/04 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Troy, you are a very sick person. nt. posted by Prokofief on January 08, 2004 at 13:01:38:
        
        I spell it all out for you how you are the one getting so personal first and all you can do is say I'm "A sick person"?
        At least back up your argument.
        
        Disagree - J 13:09:21 01/08/04 (2)
        
        In Reply to: Troy, you are a very sick person. nt. posted by Prokofief on January 08, 2004 at 13:01:38:
        
        I do not agree with Troy's rationalization as far as not paying to see the movie, and I don't condone it. But I do absolutely consider him a friend. Even if he does have lousy taste in music.
        
        "Your posts are not informative or funny.
        They are, however, consistently annoying."
        --Richard BassNut Greene
        
        Aw shucks - Troy 15:39:37 01/08/04 (1)
        
        In Reply to: Disagree posted by J on January 08, 2004 at 13:09:21:
        
        You like me, you really like me!
        The Ramones suck.
        I swear, I woulda never guessed sneaking into a theater (something I actually do quite rarely) would have pissed off so many people. It's not exactly like I'm stealing from a blind panhandler . . .
        
        Re: Aw shucks - J 22:08:33 01/08/04 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Aw shucks posted by Troy on January 08, 2004 at 15:39:37:
        
        In this neck of the woods we name streets after people who make music you don't like. Part of why I like it around here.
        > It's not exactly like I'm stealing from a blind panhandler . . .
        No, but it is stealing, or something like it. I do think it's more a case of stealing from the theater than the studio, but that doesn't make it right, either, ya weirdo.
        Seriously, I know it's hardly a huge crime, but you can make a much better rationalization for P2P downloading than you can for doing what you did. Which I don't have any interest in getting into, let's just say if I sneaked into a movie theater--never have--I probably wouldn't be as cavalier about it. But that's me. I'm not surprised that people reacted to the way you related the story. I don't think it's that big a deal, and I don't really care all that much, but I do see it as a small example of something that's wrong. I don't think anybody's getting from you that you see this. On some level you have to accept that if you're going to try to rationalize it, you should go about it in a different way if you don't want people to react with harsh judgments. One can go overboard & still not be wrong.
        
        "Your posts are not informative or funny.
        They are, however, consistently annoying."
        --Richard BassNut Greene
I'm glad you liked it even though we differ somewhat in our appraisals, ...but not paying? - Audiophilander 09:55:50 01/03/04 (18)
Perhaps it would've been better had you and your wife waited until The Return of The King opened at the dollar house. Troy, it's just my opinion, but the idea of sneaking into films makes me a little uncomfortable, regardless of what the film happens to be; never did this kind of thing as a teenager and have to wonder about adults doing it. I realize that there are a lot of gray areas surrounding copyrighted material, downloading, etc, but technically speaking, viewing a program being offered as an attraction without paying for it is tantamount to theft.
Sorry if this seems judgmental; folks can jump on me for taking this too seriously if they like, but there you have it.
Respectfully,
AuPh
- Troy is an admitted drunk driver and now a low life thief - YECH 15:55:57 01/03/04 (2)
  First he brags,in a Porcupine Tree concert review at RR,about his driving around after the concert so inebriated he can hardly walk.And now he brags about sneaking into a movie.
  What's the matter Troy?That vomit you call art that you try to sell moving a little slow???
  No extra money???
  Mom and dad raise the rent for the basement?
  You have the morals and brains of a 12 year old.
  YECH
  - Morals? I gotcher Morals! - Troy 17:23:44 01/03/04 (0)
    Hiya YECH. Haven't seen ya for a while. They accidentally loosen the straight-jacket enough for you to reach the keys?
    It takes the morals and brains of a 12 year old to tell someone they have the morals and brains of a 12 year old.
    Sorry, sneaking into the theater is not a federal case.
    So much zest and unbridaled anger. tsk tsk. So personal, so overwhelmingly over the top. You are sure a one, there YECHY.
  - Take it Outside, buddrick. n - albee33 16:45:44 01/03/04 (0)
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- Art should be free. n - albee33 10:16:48 01/03/04 (11)
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  - That sounds like something a teenager would say. - Audiophilander 10:27:58 01/03/04 (9)
    People that work in the arts (i.e., music, film, painting, books, etc.) have to make a living and are deserving of every penny from their copyrighted materials! There are rare exceptions, as when the artist doesn't mind his/her work being freely taped or when non-commercially released work is offered to fans by fans, although that can be a gray area dependent upon the quality of work offered and the impact on sales of the consumer product.
    AuPh
    - Thanks, I feel younger already. n - albee33 16:23:02 01/03/04 (0)
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    - albee33 seems to be all of 13 - YECH 15:58:46 01/03/04 (1)
      For once we concur on something Audi.
      the earth has stood still.
      Sneaking into movies is juvenile.
      And shows a lack of moral character.
      Regards
      YECHy
      - I don't sneak into movies . . . - albee33 16:20:35 01/03/04 (0)
        
        In Reply to: albee33 seems to be all of 13 posted by YECH on January 03, 2004 at 15:58:46:
        
        And want to shoot people who do because they interupt my attention span by stumbling around trying to find a seat. The personnel at theatres are too young and timid to standup to feature theft.
        Whatever happened to the mean-ass little old ladies with the flashlights?
    - Art made for money is whorish. n - albee33 15:45:45 01/03/04 (2)
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      - Fine, you can call me whatever you like as long as $5000 is on the bureau after my painting goes home with you! (nt) - Audiophilander 22:48:59 01/03/04 (1)
        
        In Reply to: Art made for money is whorish. n posted by albee33 on January 03, 2004 at 15:45:45:
        
        ;^)
        
        AudioPanderer! n - albee33 11:05:06 01/04/04 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Fine, you can call me whatever you like as long as $5000 is on the bureau after my painting goes home with you! (nt) posted by Audiophilander on January 03, 2004 at 22:48:59:
        
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    - It's a balancing act - Troy 10:32:35 01/03/04 (2)
      A starving garage band? No, I'm gonna buy their CD if I like it, even if a freebie CD-r is made for me.
      But a movie that makes $100,000,000 in it's first month of release? Bite me you rich Hollywood scum, they don't need my 10 clams.
      - I'm glad you decide how much everyone should make - mvwine 08:30:22 01/05/04 (1)
        
        In Reply to: It's a balancing act posted by Troy on January 03, 2004 at 10:32:35:
        
        Bite me you immature, socialistic scum!
        
        In Vino Veritas
        
        Give it a rest ya wino - Troy 16:04:18 01/05/04 (0)
        
        In Reply to: I'm glad you decide how much everyone should make posted by mvwine on January 05, 2004 at 08:30:22:
        
        Sneaking into a movie is like taking pens home from work. You Boy Scouts are so over the top about this, it's hilarious.
  - No - Troy 10:19:32 01/03/04 (0)
    Artists have to eat and pay the rent too.
- Sneaking in - Troy 10:14:26 01/03/04 (2)
  As a writer, photographer and illustrator, I know all too well the pitfalls and frustrations of copyright theft.
  I suppose for me it's a question of expense. LOTR is already over 100 million at the box office. There's just SO much $ involved with the movie industry that they'll not miss my 10 bucks.
  All the dollar houses areound here are truly disgusting. I'd have to bring a plastic tarp to sit on.
  - Re: Sneaking in - SR 22:08:31 01/03/04 (1)
    As a Hollywood guild member and sound engineer I'm glad to hear you think we've made enough money. You obviously don't have a clue about what it costs to make a film or about how many lose money before a hit comes around. Just how do you go about choosing your point of conscionable theft ? Is it after 10mil or 20mil or 50mil ?
    If Walmart has 80 Xbox in the display is it OK to heist one, but not OK if they only have 20 ? Grow up and pay others for their efforts as you expect to be paid for yours.
    Steve
    - Re: Sneaking in - Troy 08:34:58 01/04/04 (0)
      Hey Steve, I have friends behind the camera too. You've already been paid long before the movie hits the street. The people making money off the gross are the ones that are already overpaid.
      As of 12/28, LOTR has grossed $228 millon. Who cares about my 10 bucks?
      Your Xbox analogy is off the mark. I equate slipping into a second movie after paying for the first to be the equivalent of bringing pens home from work.
      I buy most of my DVDs and CDs on the used market. The used market is flooded with free promotional copies. You pissed at me about buying those too?

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