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In Reply to: My apologies for getting your point of origin wrong. posted by Audiophilander on January 08, 2004 at 15:22:47:

I do not care if one is jewish, Catholic, French or American or whatever! What I do care is the quality of an individual.
My father did almost lost his life in fighting the Nazis and ruin his life at doing it. That and a lot more. That would certainly explain my sensivity on this theme.
Have you ever saw the KZ? have you ever visit the Auschwitz and consort? I did! Have you ever look in the eyes of the beast directly in the eyes? Have you ever stand in front of the hairs & shoes & glasses of this poor people? Did you stand in the gaz chambers with your own body? Have you seen the marks left on the walls from theirs finger nails? I did.
So everything that come nears from racism, I fight. And how.
But the point is, you will certainly concord with me on this, was Tolkien a racist, did he believe at the " super race " That is what I am going to try to find out. Until now I have only light suspicions, but I do not want to be injust, and will go seriously after this matter now that it has escalated this way.
Well actually if you want my opinion, I think that YOU did overact! I just said that I did not like this film and that I did feel that they may be some trace on racism in it.
That is all I said, and it was more a question than a definitive view, what still is.
The only thing hat did change now is my iron will to find out. Much noise for nothing maybe but life can be also made of this.
We will see.

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"I think that YOU did oveact[sic]." - No, when someone makes an accusation of racism, it shouldn't be taken lightly. - Audiophilander 09:03:14 01/09/04 (5)
Your thinking (i.e., or *questioning* as one does when burrowing into weasel territory) that there is "...some trace on(of) racism in it" refering to Tolkien's books and Jackson's films is a very serious allegation. I'm glad that you've decided to look a little harder; Tolkien's books and now the films are highly revered for their simple heroic message and the comraderie of the mythical races joining together to defeat a great evil. Reading more into the characters and storyline than that risks placing subjective interpretations on the material that is less in keeping with the concept of the author/filmmakers than the imagination of the book's/film's critics.
AuPh
- Re: "I think that YOU did oveact[sic]." - No, when someone makes an accusation of racism, it shouldn't be taken lightly. - patrickU 09:05:02 01/09/04 (4)
  Accusation ? I was asking if there were trace of racism. Reread my original post.
  - Patrick, I've read ALL of your posts in this thread & there's more than a simple query involved in your assertions. - Audiophilander 09:41:53 01/09/04 (3)
    Granted, we may be having some minor language misunderstanding, but it's hard to miss your inference about racism being in both films and books. No offense, but the only "asking" you've done is in regard to trying to assess whether there's a consensus to your existing opinion.
    AuPh
    - Re: In books ? - patrickU 10:08:21 01/09/04 (2)
      You must have really missunderstand me..I never read his books.
      But I would really have the opinion of Berbardo as he seems to have read a lot about it!
      Any way and that was the starting point the films did leave me a bitter after taste regarding this problems.
      That why I was asking myself loudly...what it really was...
      - That's the implication. - Audiophilander 11:00:20 01/09/04 (1)
        
        In Reply to: Re: In books ? posted by patrickU on January 09, 2004 at 10:08:21:
        
        You stated (and I quote): "When I saw the films I always felt uncomfortable about some sous-adjacent (under-lying?) racism and wrote so in my comment of LOTR III. Now I know why! The author was a great admirer of Generalissimo Franco..."
        There you have it! You've indicated that the films convey an underlying racism and the fault lies with the author's books. How could this be interpreted otherwise?
        AuPh
        
        Re: That's the implication. - patrickU 11:16:30 01/09/04 (0)
        
        In Reply to: That's the implication. posted by Audiophilander on January 09, 2004 at 11:00:20:
        
        Yes and ? I was just been conforted in my suspicion and was glad to hear that I was not the only one who may think this way: The journalist wrote..He was an Franco admirer and loved the " Herren race "..
        So, now that this has turned righly so, to a bigger problem, I will do my best to make me a stronger opinion.
        If you may read above the Bernardo letter and my answer to it, you will see that we are seriously pushing the envellope.
        But will we ever find out?

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