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In Reply to: Are all movies inherently cosmetic and sugar coated? posted by Troy on January 16, 2004 at 09:16:17:

"Idealizing" with "Sugar Coating". A romantic film (that is, of the romantic school of art, not "romance") will tend to idealize both "good" and "bad" characters to emphasize their moral character. Take the LOTR films for example (Oh God, what have I done?): The evil characters - Orcs, Uruk-Hai, Trolls were all depicted as not only evil but butt-ugly as well. While at the same time, the good guys were for the most part, attractive.
Now this "idealizing" can be done heavy-handedly or subtly. The subtleness is what many American films of this ilk lack. Also many lack originality, or even just an "artistic vision". Personally, I am partial to American films, being an American it is natural I suppose. But it can be seen that American films have , on the whole, gotten steadily worse since the fifties. AND I can recognize that foreign films strive more consistently for artistic impact, rather than gross receipts.

In Vino Veritas

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Re: I think the whole thing is confusing - Troy 09:54:39 01/18/04 (0)
This Idealizing you're talking about is definitely part of my definition of sugar coating. Again, Sugar coating were Patrick's words. Idealization and romanticizing is more accurate.
The question between Patrick and I is that not all films have these romantic notions and devices designed to put the audience off balance and purposefully direct them to a certain place and way of seeing. I say they do and was pointing that out to him. You and I agree.
Your comment that the difference is in the subtlty in how these romantic notions are put across to the audience as being the key to what makes a film good or band is one that I should have added at the end of my original post.
Re: I think your confusing - patrickU 09:38:30 01/17/04 (2)
While some " foreign " films retains some originality most are copying the big US brother, intelligent films are a dying breed, most people will always choose the " easy way " .
You don�t have to chwe anymore. No risk to threw up. It is all indigest digest.
It i just degenerate to a " cash machine ".
- Yes, the whole international trend is discouraging - mvwine 19:10:09 01/18/04 (1)
  But, being an American, I see a lot more of the American garbage. The non-American films I see tend to be better, overall. Of course I don't usually have the opportunity to see them until they are a little old, and I can have a little more information about them.
  
  In Vino Veritas
  - Re: Yes, the whole international trend is discouraging - patrickU 02:07:04 01/19/04 (0)
    The real good films tend to be like wine....Time improves them.....

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