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Audiophilander

In Reply to: Now you are sliding completely posted by Victor Khomenko on January 29, 2004 at 11:21:35:

>>> "You apparently don't get it." <<<
No, I get it just fine; you seem to be locked into a stubborn tunnel viewpoint that would even have your optometrist throwing up his arms in defeat!
If you had described Tolkien's books as a series originally recommended for young adult reading we might've found room for compromise, because regardless of the author's intent these novels have been marketed as such and I can provide reams of evidence to that end. BTW, "young adult" does not mean "children's" literature; young adult tends to imply post adolescent literature.
In numerous reviews I've read concuring with this viewpoint most readers of Tolkien develope a passionate desire to reread the novels later in life, because they take on a different significance. IMHO, this is what the BEST literature does, because an initial reading or surface understanding of such a complex work will grow and changes with subsequent readings.
>>> "...only a complete idiot would claim War and Peace to be in that category..." <<<
Even though I won't bother categorizing you as "a complete idiot" because you felt insulted that someone would dare to tread upon the hollowed name of Tolstoy by comparing one of his weighty works with another more contempoorary author's weighty work which you hold in much lower esteem, I will say that you are much like book 2 of any 3 book trilogy (i.e., no one can figure out where you started or where you're going nor what you'll do when you get there). ;^)
AuPh

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LOL! That sez plenty of those "young adults" - Victor Khomenko 12:41:45 01/29/04 (5)
Must be the same ones that still real comic books.
I didn't say anything about their age, BTW... but I think your response says it as it is... even if you didn't intend it that way.
- "I didn't say anything about their age, ..." - Now that's a weaselly response if ever I read one. - Audiophilander 13:19:01 01/29/04 (4)
  Bad Victor, ...bad, bad! You certainly made an inferrence about the age of Tolkien's readers & viewers; no offense, but that's the sort of slippery manuever one might expect to see Outside!
  > > > "Must be the same ones that still real[sic] comic books." < < <
  See ya in the funny papers, big Vic! :o)
  Cheers,
  AuPh
  - Your mama should have taught you... - Victor Khomenko 13:43:04 01/29/04 (3)
    ...that getting personal when you have nothing to answer with, is really bad form.
    It is something that "young adults" should not do.
    But I guess you still just don't get how much of your white underbelly you exposed with that silly "young adults" line?
    Speaks volumes.
    - The irony of your making ... - Audiophilander 15:58:04 01/29/04 (2)
      ...such a blatantly hypocritical statement should amuse even those who might agree completely with your rigidly inflexible and subjectively vapid viewpoint on LoTR; I'm genuiniely embarrassed for you Victor.
      > > > Your mama should've taught you that getting personal when you have nothing to answer with, is really bad form." < < <
      Wha-? You're whining now because I indicate that you might be weaseling and calling you (i.e., but NOT name-calling) on something you clearly did through innuendo!
      > > > "But I guess you still just don't get how much of your white underbelly you exposed with that silly "young adults" line?" < < <
      LOL! Oh, I get it, you're having difficulty grasping the distinction! Well, I'm sorry if this plays havoc with your perceptions, but there is a verifiable difference between children's literature and that which is regarded appropriate for a young adult and adult market. If pressed I'll gladly point you to sites containing INFORMED opinions which concur with my own, but I'd rather not contribute further responsibility for raising your blood pressure (i.e., any more than has already apparently occured).
      > > > "Speaks volumes." < < <
      The Library of Congress couldn't spin you out of your LoTR malapropisms.
      Regards,
      AuPh
      - Re: The irony of your making ... - Victor Khomenko 16:20:18 01/29/04 (1)
        
        In Reply to: The irony of your making ... posted by Audiophilander on January 29, 2004 at 15:58:04:
        
        Hey - that is your constitutional right: you like children's books and films - enjoy, no need to get this defensive, or try to force those who don't want to.
        My only objection is when you start presenting the naive and poorly made children's opus as something on par with... with... well, there is that life outside the children's books.
        But I guess the War and Peace comparisson already told us the whole story.
        I recall, when my daughter was around 13, she would argue and rather hotly, that Michael Jackson was the second Mozart.
        
        Object away, the LoTR films & books are neither naive, poorly made, nor, strictly speaking, a children's opus. - Audiophilander 17:14:15 01/29/04 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Re: The irony of your making ... posted by Victor Khomenko on January 29, 2004 at 16:20:18:
        
        OTOH, your attitude on this subject is another matter, but let's not go there.
        > > > "I recall, when my daughter was around 13, she would argue rather hotly, that Michael Jackson was the second Mozart." < < <
        Naw, that would probably be Joe Bonamassa! ;^)
        Cheers,
        AuPh

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