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In Reply to: What Hollywood will never understand posted by Victor Khomenko on February 09, 2004 at 11:34:57:
Hollywood producers, like Shakepseare in Elizabethan England, are in the business of making money, unlike much of the state-supported film you admire (how ironic you love stuff which is produced in a manner which you despise!). Horrible bastards!
Of course, you choose to paint tinseltown as deviant-based entertainment, forgetting "Nemo," "LOTR," "American Splendor," "My Architect," and hundreds of others (not a rape or murder in sight in LIT, either).
Ok, Vic, we know you don't like Hollywood.
You like European films.
Your mind is closed.
You can no more appreciate most American art than an American can appreciate Japanese kabuki.
But consider this: art doesn't exist in a vacuum. This IS the most violent, drug-riddled country on earth. Should an artist ignore this?
Follow Ups:
Wrong, I do not dislike Hollywood. I dislike what it is presently doing. To you that might be the same, it is not to me.I don't like "European" films, I like GOOD films, whereever they come from, and as I stated in my response to Troy, I see the world outside the Hollywood, not some "Europe".
You are wrong agian... our kids MUST be tought to appreciate the Japanese Kabuki... guess what - it doesn't happen by itself, and if your time is taken with Animal House then so much less is left for other things in the world.
This IS unfortunately one of the most violent societies on Earth... and that is exactly why it even more wrong to make it even more violent and idiots-populated than it already is.
Things like the Animal House, Natural Born Killers and others like that do not exactly promote humanism and world view.
elite college snobs, like....W, for instance.
It was a comedy and a satire. If you didn't attend American college, or understand American views on sex at that time, I can understand your failure to appreciate it. It is really an hysterically funny film which has achieved cult status, appreciated by a wide-spectrum of folks.
"Animal House, which you obviously never saw..." He-he... must be soothing to be making silly statements like that. When you have nothing better to say, this will do.Saw it several times.
***It is really an hysterically funny film which has achieved cult status, appreciated by a wide-spectrum of folks.
Funny... you see that as an achievemt, as success... oh-ho... and I see that as its damnation.
It sure sounds to me like you were not much of a fan of the National Lampoon, the satire magazine responsible for Animal House (not Belushi). In fact, I'm willing to bet you never saw a copy of this magazine during the 70s or knew anything about the people who published it. If they hadn't picked him to play the part of the clown/slob in that movie, it would've been someone else. They wrote the stories upon which that movie was based ("Tales Of The Adelphian Lodge" first ran in 1975), and it was them & Sean Kelly who were mostly responsible for that movie being made, NOT Belushi. I don't see you mentioning the name of Douglas Kenney here? Chris Miller? I'm sorry, you're arguing nonsense because you don't like the guy up on the screen. I was reading Nat Lampoon in the 70s, were you? If you're going to tell me that THEY are responsible for some kind of degradation of American culture, I'd sure like to see you come up with some examples & back up yr argument with some facts. Oh, and as for the effect of the movie on children--it was, after all, rated 'R.'
***I was reading Nat Lampoon in the 70s, were you?Of course not. In the seventies I was reading Rousseau, Schopenhauer and Solzhenitsyn... ah, and some Rostand, but Troy already forbade me to mention his name.
So, first Troy trying to convince me America is not about quoting Cyrano, now you...
Thanks... I guess... for this wisdom.
NT!
In Vino Veritas
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Did you read Kant's "Critique of Pure Reason" in the original German?
I don't recognize one name on that list, so I don't know if you're being facetious or whether or not you're trying to pass yrself off as an intellectual. Regardless, outside of the fact that I didn't ask you what you DID read, whatever it was you were reading clearly didn't enable you to understand satire when you see it; nor did it equip you with the ability to blame the correct party in a situation such as this where you find fault with a movie actor & blame him for 'creating' that which was actually created by others. Not sure how Troy's comment has anything do with this; seems to me it's more a case of you not having yr facts straight.Belushi was no saint & deserves criticism for his poor handling of his drug problem as well as his lack of professionalism on television programs & movie sets--but not only is he not guilty of the sins you are taking him to task for, you make yrself look idiotic by allowing yr dislike for him to project onto yr unjustly blaming him for as much as you do.
you yourself did not attend Harvard if indeed you do not recognize one name on the list.
Yeah, no kidding. But I'm willing to admit that, and I had the courage to admit I wasn't familiar with those names, too. Meanwhile, at least I know satire when I see it. And I don't argue bullsh*t when I don't have facts to back up my argument. I didn't require an Ivy League education to understand these things.
I know someone who graduated from Harward and who is, in terms of his cultural develepment, still living in the VERY Dark Ages.Education and culture are only remotely connected.
"I know someone who graduated from Harward and who is, in terms of his cultural develepment, still living in the VERY Dark Ages."Please donīt bring Mr. Bush here: thatīs what Outside is for...
Regards
BF
...you omit most of Africa and much of SE Asia and maybe half of South America.clark
PS Nice comeback to your accuser.
That didn't come out right.
For his high degree of sophistication else where, the USA is a violent country.
Nazi Germany? Stalinist Russia?
So I am living in Hollywood past?
...and now we are in the 21st century...Regards
BF
We were supposed to smart as a species in the 20th century too. The 20th Century was pretty dang sophisticated compared to any other time in human history, yet we continued to slaughter each other like crazed animals.Was the turn of the 21st Century some shing new age moment where that was going to stop?
Sadly, some things never change. Man's inhumanity to man is one of them.
In case you have forgotten which one it was, please compare the level of violence in the US to that in places like France, Germany, Sweden, Spain, Italy...: is it higher, or lower?Some valuable indicators could be percentage of violent deaths, percentage of people held in jail, percentage of assaults and rapes..., and so on.
Regards
BF
There was a time when some of those countries DID lead the world in violence. Everything cycles. It is America's time now as both the top dog empire AND as the most violent "civilized" country (note that many places in the world ARE currently much more violent however). It should be no surprise based on history that the 2 go hand in hand . . .My point is that it is an unfortunate inevitability of humanity that we are violent as a species.
***My point is that it is an unfortunate inevitability of humanity that we are violent as a species.OK, so that is your point, wrong as it is. However, you are choosing to ignore the scores of writers, philosophers, etc, people like R... oops, sorry, you will start crying again at my mentioning some names... anyway, some of those philosophers who believed the human beings could be made better, and should strive to be better... that humanism was something that separated us from animals.
People like Belushi, OTOH, promoted the return to animals instincts.
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