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In Reply to: First - look in the mirror posted by Victor Khomenko on February 10, 2004 at 10:05:26:
For the life of me I can't connect a deviant like Belushi to myself... so I find your repeated "can't laugh at youself" so silly... he was a social moron, a drunk and a drug user, I believe I share none of those "qualities".So much of what I say to you, you don't understand, or choose not to.
Belushi is NOT like you. He is making fun OF you. THAT'S why you don't like him.
You say "who cares about his drug addiction"? Well, if you don't, then all I can tell you you should. Funny I have to tell that to a grown man.
So why was it ok For Bogart and Spencer Tracy to drink and smoke themselves to death? Actors addictions are as common as dirt. Show me an actor and I'll show you a drunk, a wife beater, a drug abuser- an addict of every stripe. Why single Belushi out? I don't care about Belushi's drug addiction any more than I care about WC Field's drinking or Errols Flynn's sex addiction. Nope, better not let your kids watch ANY movies if you're concerned with actors setting bad examples.
Regarding the sensitivity... look in the mirror again. I was just typing my thoughs after watching a particular film, you came out like Jack from the box, swinging wildly.
Go back and read your original post about Monster and how "American film is a culture of GARBAGE". Every day you come to this board and spout this sort of rubbish. When someone fights back, then you get all whiney and defensive. You can't have it both ways. I will give you back the same level that you give me.
I can't STAND when arrogant snobs like you spout quotes from things like Cyrano and then act superior because you don't think I know Cyrano. It's a perfect example of your uninformed assumptions about people that could possibly think Belushi is funny. Again, why can't an individual like both? Your closed minded highbrow arrogance is monumental.
You say you're concerned with America because you live here. Don't try and make it become the America of your skewed ideals. Part of American culture is that we embrace charachters like Belushi because he deflates pretension and higbrow snobishness. America is NOT about people spouting Cyrano references. It has NEVER been about people spouting Cyrano references. So don't try to create an America in YOUR image. America is what America is. Deal with it.
This is the funniest part. I agree with you about how Hollywood is over run by accountants, MBA's and brown nosing yes-men. Yes, the artists, the ones that are trying to make good movies are getting squeezed out on every side. But the difference is that I know that it has ALWAYS been that way in Hollywood. Your ideals about a Hollywood of the bygone days are false. Hollywood has ALWAYS been about business and money first. That anything of artistic worth comes out of the industry, both THEN and NOW is a miracle. Actually, I think that American cinema is pretty strong here in the first few years of the 21st Century, mainly because of a thriving independent film business working outside the Hollywood system.
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You are obviously being irritated by my lack of concern with Belushi as you put it "laughing at me". Well, this is simple. Pigs always laugh at decent people. Pigs like Belushi also tent to die like pigs... and most decent people don't even notice that.Truth is, I go trough my life without any concern for what some low life moron thnks about my pursuit of trying to make something with my life, for my family and people around me.
You on the other hand, seem to be much in tune with his feelings. That is your choice.
The sorry truth is that Belushi the pig only was successful because people like you couldn't get enough of him.
I guess you two found each other.
About the drug/alcohol abuse in actors, etc. You are as clueless as ever. If you show me the Tracy film that turned anyone into an alcoholic, promoted drug use and moronic behavior, I will agree with you.
Your "hero", OTOH, promoted the drugs and pig life... see the diff? Probably not.
***Go back and read your original post about Monster and how "American film is a culture of GARBAGE".
If you want to comment on my posts then at least have the decency of quoting it right... don't be a cheap liar.
For the "quote" above you deserve to be called a liar.
And then you drop this bit of "wisdom":
"America is NOT about people spouting Cyrano references. It has NEVER been about people spouting Cyrano references."
I don't know whether to laugh or cry over your numb-headed line like that.
Perhaps you TRULY believe America is about living like pigs, like Belushi, and decaying alive. Then thank you, but somehow I managed to miss THAT America.
As far as your "recomendation" of what I should and should not be doing in America - you can perfectly stick it in your ear, as this is my county just as much as it is yours. If you want to live here like a pig, there is nothing I can do about it, but there are plenty of good people I care about.
Anyway, you will neither scare nor impress me with your escalating tone, but you can bore me at some point.
Your complete lack of any sense of humor or irony is stunning.Why is it OK for you to vilify Belushi in death, but it's not ok for him to poke fun of snobs like you in life? Why the double standard? Because you're better than him? It's obvious you think so, but you, regardless of all your education and worldlyness, are not. The roots of your arrogance are deep and obvious.
WRT the Spencer Tracy reference, I do understand and agree with the difference you point out, however, that doesn't take away from the fact that Tracy and Bogart both died because of their addictions, just as Belushi did.
Personally, I don't care if "Animal House" promoted debauchery (again, like it was the first movie or story to ever do that). If an individual has hany brains in their head, they can tell the difference between sensible behavior or not. No movie is going to make them smarter. If people have the tendency towards that lifestyle, they will do that, if they don't, they won't and no mere MOVIE is going to sway anyone's opinon.
You can say that I misquoted you if you like. If you read your original post, that "quote' I stuck in there certainly fits your tone and attitude. And it's no different than putting the words "Belushi is my hero" in my mouth in your post. You are well aware I never made any claim like that.
"America is NOT about people spouting Cyrano references. It has NEVER been about people spouting Cyrano references."
I don't know whether to laugh or cry over your numb-headed line like that.
Regardless of your emotional conundrum, the fact remains.
You can continue to use your book knowledge as a weapon of repression on those that are intimidated by it. It won't work with me. You're wrong to think that someone that enjoys a comedian like Belushi doesn't know or enjoy the classics too. It's called "perspective" and "balanced tastes". This balance, in all your overwhelming bias, is something which you have none of.
***Why is it OK for you to vilify Belushi in death, but it's not ok for him to poke fun of snobs like you in life? Why the double standard? Because you're better than him? It's obvious you think so, but you, regardless of all your education and worldlyness, are not.Oh boy... let me repeat what I already said once and then leave, unless you find something fresh to say. I told you I have no problem with him poking fun at me - I couldn't care less, as I have no respect for him.
I suggest you read my previous post as this has already been answered, but as I said, apparently you are not willing to accept my complete disregard for him and his "poking fun", you are still trying to convince me I should feel offended, insecure or sad...
Sorry to disappoint you... as I said, I have no reaction like that.
Will you finally get this simple message?
Am I a better person than a pig who created some of the most revolting characters and finally died like a pig? I would certainly HOPE so, but I will leave the final judgement to the creator.
says it all. Hollywood is no different now than it was in the past 100 years, pre Code and after, except for the demise of the studio system and advances in projection and sound. American films have always been accused of lowering moral standards, and this has occured in each decade since "The Great Train Robbery". And classic films, about 10-12 a year, have been produced all along.
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