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In Reply to: Re: Beauty. posted by Victor Khomenko on February 17, 2004 at 09:16:27:
Withnail and I was OK. It amused me, but I ever understood it's cult appeal.As if you'd be "gentle" with anyone about anything.
What about Cyrano? What does Cyrnao have to do with anything here other than to show how much smarter you are than the people that don't know Cyrano?
The way you use knowledge as a weapon to defend your insecurity is reprehensible.
Follow Ups:
To me, one of the strong ones recently has been this:"America is NOT about people spouting Cyrano references. It has NEVER been about people spouting Cyrano references."
On boards like this, we are what we say.
So please tell me, what is America about?
America is about being the biggest, brightest, fastest, newest thing on skates. We don't ride on European literature's lumpy and pitted metal wheels, we glide on inline modern wonder-plastic wheels.It's about breaking the mold, not falling into European literature's same old casting. We will not be under the coddling wing of a Europe that feels it is the center of the cultural and human universe
America is about reinventing the old. I'd much rather watch Steve Martin's remake of Cyrano (Roxanne) than watch a moldy old Jose Ferrer version OR plod through the dated and arcane dialogue in the book as we were forced to in high school.
The sentiment and ideals in the original story are wonderful, but the presentation is ancient history and not applicable to modern American society. You call Martin's remake dumbed down? I call the forcing outmoded original on Americans unaccustomed to speaking that way eliteist at best.
It's not about hiding behind obscure references to 19th century French literature to make yourself appear smart or well read. It's about knowing the ideas and ideals in the story, and living by them, regardless of whether you can quote text from the thing or not.
Now do you understand?
I also liked it.
I only saw it once complete and some snips here and there, but I found it very refreshing, very new. And very kind.
So I had a chance to refresh my memory.Well, it wasn't too long before the boredom set in... frankly, I didn't see much to hang my hat on.
And the nose looked FAKE!
The story is a fantasy, not historical fact!Each film adaptation had a lying Pinnochio size fantasy nose. The story is a fable so the nose size is supposed to be absurd.
Perhaps you should have hung your hat on his nose.
Perhaps you were bored because the original story was old hat. Too familiar.
Which film version of this old story is the best? I've seen 2 and Roxanne is the better of the 2.
Well, Troy, I thought it was clear the nose comment was a joke... sigh...But to answer your question, I wasn't bored at all with the Depardieu version - it is a great film from many perspectives.
And it was done in good taste. If I recall correctly, the nose in that film was not overdone, like in the Hollywood version. Call it your usual French subtlety and style. I haven't seen the Reffer version - but will see it soon.
I may think that the best version is the..Theater version. Edmond Rostand book never shines more than on a stage.
By the way it is ROXANE.
And did you knew that he was a real man who lived in the XVII?
***And did you knew that he was a real man who lived in the XVII?Yes, of course. A soldier, a humanist and a satire writer. Trips to the Moon and Sun, among the other works.
One thing for sure - his nose (although large) was NOT like Martin's.
Do you know of a good portrait of his?
No, do you have one ?
No. One article mentioned the Le Doyen's portrait of his, but I have been unable to find it. You are closer to it - see if you can find it.
Here it goes.....ttp://savithe.free.fr/acc.html
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You must be jocking.
Seen it? Don't pass judgement on something you have not seen.Saw it and hated it? Why am I not surprised?
Too populist for you and Victor? Too modern? Too fun?
Is the Jose Ferrer version better? No way.
I have seen it. And it is a very weak comedy, S.Martin at his weakest moment, when he tries to be comical but on the vulgar so called popular side.( your words )
His finest were in L.A. Story or in " Rotten Scoundrels ".
Jose Ferrer version? Never like it. One that can be good speak of, is the one with Depardieu and my personaly best is an Italian silent version of it.
In any case try a dialogue.PS: This answer is not meant at any kind of personal attack, just a discussion, where every one of us has something to learn, about films.
...with Ferrer.The price was about right - $4 for a used DVD. Also ordered the Scaramouche... don't know why, will probably kick myself for that, but I loved it when I was a teen. I suspect it will be a very boring vewing... but who knows!
The one with Steward Granger? Mon Dieu! That is along time ago! Let me know if it stand through the time / test!
I did send you THE Email......
Got the mail, check the response.
Done!PS: You are the one I though you were. Good.
***Saw it and hated it? Why am I not surprised?***Too populist for you and Victor? Too modern? Too fun?
All misses. Try simply: Not Very Good Film.
Man... you ARE wearing your insecurity on your sleave!
It's a perfectly fine film. No classic, but enjoyable for what it is, a simple update of a classic story.Hey, look! I explained something about a movie. You should try it some time instead of making blanket statements like "Not Very Good Film" so people understand WHY you feel that way.
Please explain why this makes me insecure, Doctor K.
And is that the only respopnse you can make to my post? To say Roxanne wasn't very good? I tghought we were talking about something else, something deeper and juicyer . . .
***And is that the only respopnse you can make to my post?No. This is the only response I WILL make to your post.
***I tghought we were talking about something else, something deeper and juicyer . . .
Well, perhaps you were under that impression. I always respond to posts that get me interested.
Perhaps some other time?
***I tghought we were talking about something else, something deeper and juicyer . . .Well, perhaps you were under that impression. I always respond to posts that get me interested.
Well, you asked me a very specific question ("So please tell me, what is America about?") which I took the time to answer. You have nothing to say? You show me considerable dishonor.
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