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In Reply to: 11 Oscars to LoTR! [clean sweep] posted by Audiophilander on February 29, 2004 at 22:33:04:
1990. This was not one of those two. There were two occasions that they picked something that was at least in my top 5. Oddly people get on American Beauty which was one of them I think they got right. Perhaps because I could relate to Lester in a lot of ways - at least on the job market. It certainly was Atypical of what oscar usually lets win - so I'm a bit puzzled by the animosity it gets from people who think they know something about film as art.LOTR is more spectical than it is deep and social relevance or insight are often a real strain and stretch for writer's to argue. It simply is paper thin with an arc that doesn't house 9 hours. It's too long, too preachy, to distanced, too silly to be a masterpiece.
The other two 11 award winners are Ben Hur a horrendous pile of dog dung if there ever was for a best picture and the incredibly banal Titanic (Though I confess to enjoying Titanic if I imagine the dialogue a different way). Cameron needs to write women better because The Terminator was a vastly superior Romance picture.
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LoTR is a masterpiece and destined to be a classic for generations to come, PERIOD, end of story! OTOH, I would agree that Ben Hur was far less deserving of it's 11 Oscars. However, I wouldn't go quite as far as you did in comparing it to "a horrendous pile of dog dung" even though I don't usually care for Old/New Testament religious epics and rarely have much use for Charlton Heston's square jawed acting. Titanic is another kettle of fish (i.e., literally ...now, I guess!); I liked it quite a bit better than you did, but I have to agree with you about Cameron creating and/or directing more effective romantic dialogue in other films. BTW, if you think that the romantic elements in The Terminator was better, check out the Abyss!AuPh
Titanic was in my best ten list that year and I gave it 8/10 - Which is high on my rating system. I enjoyed it, but it could have been something so much better.I maintain that the Terminator is Cameron's best romantic effort and have argued that the Terminator is centrally a romance wrapped up in a sci-fi thriller action film - which is why it's the best Terminator film...and a great film - though one does have to ignore the time line implausabilites - or our current knowledge of time...but that's sci-fi.
Star Wars is considered a classic too. What is or isn't considered a classic has no weight with me. Classics are dictated by popularity contests. The fans of these genres will like them and they're much better than fantasy films like Excalibur which was supposedly going to be a claassic when it came out...seriously horrible movie IMO.
Winning an academy award is no gaurantee of anything. Gladiator was dreck - and how many people hate the English Patient?
It all depends on the definition of masterpiece and what you go to the theaters for and only YOU can define what YOU consider a masterpiece to be.
I agree with what you posted about this masterpiece. It is so many films in one and makes you wonder at the end (forgetting, of course, Linda Hamilton's limited acting talent).
I think a longer director's cut of this on DVD will give more weight to all those below deck relationships only hinted at in the theatrical version.
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