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In Reply to: wow posted by wik on March 03, 2004 at 17:06:49:
It was more of a personnal message. If you want to spend a whole afternoon on this theme, go and use the search option, please.
There are more words you can bear, I bet.
Follow Ups:
What key words should we use? "Unsupported dismisals" " I hate English language movies" " I watch obscure movies only" " I hate commercial success"? What key words would you suggest?
Humor?
OK, it would have really been fun if true. But it is not.
No way.
We love, Victor ( I must speaks for him as he is not there, for the moment ) & I, GOOD films, and it wonīt help them taking this approach.
No, we love films from all parts of the world..The only condition is that they are good.
If you argue for LOTR, why donīt you tell us why you like it, Just why?
Calling TLOR Kaka is an assertion that is not worthy of a well thought out rebutal. You guys may very well love what you think are good films. I simply have no respect for such arogant unsupported dismisals. I am sorry for calling it like I see it but I see Victor dismising all American films. This is just nonsense. Anyone can get on a soap box and say everything is crap. I'd like to see it well argued for a change.
Well you did not your home work. Bercause if you would have you would have made a search and read the more than lenghty critics we made about this film. More long as for a " real " ilm I am afraid !
And " Caca " ( here the French version ) is of course meant to be funny, and certainly not as serious as you may take it, but true to the very core.
So why did you foud " LOTR " to be a good film?
The search engine is down but I figured I'd take the time to review Voctor's reviews of some American movies."It seems to me that in that part of the world - and I mean Eastern Europe perhaps even more than the Western one - the interest in the subject that I always find fascinating - the humans with their joys and sufferings - is still very much alive, while here, at Hollywood, it has been completely replaced with the monsters and deviants.
Case in point: a few days back I believe Tin suggested that the Hollywood film with a completely adolescent sounding title Monster was something special.
My reaction - sorry, but I am not going to waste my time and money watching yet another story of a serial killer.
There is something quite degrading in the American fascination with mass murderers, serial killers, morons (John Belushi and the warshipers of his church), deviants of all kinds, anti-social idiots, prostitutes-gone-housewives, and all other sorts of scum, human trash, refuse, garbage... enter your favorite word of disgust here."
Hmm. He didn't even see the movie but simply made a bunch of assumptions about it. But hey, it was an American movie so ho hum.
Here is his review of the classic film "The Right Stuff"
"OK, OK... I watched the Right Stuff last night! It doesn't get any more American!
Can't say I enjoyed it much, though."
Very insightful in depth analysis. Not.Here is another review with a familiar theme...
"Watched Ripley's Game last night... such kakaJust about everything about that film is weak.
A waste of time."
Not much to discuss there. Just another typical dismisal.That is as far as I can scroll back for now.
So when I see a well thought out critique of LOTRs by Victor that actually discusses real cinematic values, I will happily discuss what I liked about LOTRs in rebutal. Till then I think arogant dismisals of the sort I have cited above deserve the same sort of dismisals in response. It doesn't take a lot of thought to say something is kaka.
Almost everything is down today..Save the Film Asylum.
Yes do that! It would only be fair & correct, but not only the US titles! You will see what a quality of judgement Victor is able to upbring.
You see, the point is that almost all Holliwood films are weak and pursuit the only goal to makes money. Nothing against some " fun " films that are well made! But in small dose, please, as to mush could be lethal to your brain.
In general, once you have dismiss at lenght a lot of garbage, you will lose patience and just say....kaka.
I would suggest take a film you really like and put your view on it here, and discuss it with Victor and others.
We are here for the fun, and nothing too serious at all.
We all learn from each others.
I managed to get further back in the archives. Here is what I found on LOTRsVictor:
"She (Victor's wife I believe)undertook to watch it (LOTR ROTK) while I was asleep. The next morning she was upset about spending all that time on garbage - her words."
It apears that Victor hasn't even seen the film. Yet he has dismissed as kaka. There is nothing to respond to. Such a dismisal desrves the same in turn.
Lets look at your comments....
"My son in law had two free tickets for the show and ask me if I would like to come along with him for this film, after an indecisive time of reflexion ( 3 hours for THIS kind of flim..) I remember the polemic on this board and decide to see if I could change my prejudice....Short, no I could not.
Loud, digital for images and sound, in one word depictable.
I wonīt go any longer or deeper on this as every thing is utterly wrong. I can understand for some to have some fun seeing it.
The worst was the never ending end."At least you acknowledged your bias against the movie from the get go but really? Where's the beef. "Everything is utterly wrong"??? What specifically is utterly wrong? Are you saying the story arc is wrong? It is classic myth all the way. What was sooo bad about the ending? Is there a time limmit on excellent endings? If it were too loud perhaps you should choose a better theater for sound. The film makers do not pick the levels for playback. Digital for images? What do you mean? If I am missing any of the in depth discussion on this film please feel free to point out what I have missed. But I have to say Victor has simply dismissed a movie he hasn't seen out of what seems to be his prejudice against "Hollywood." You have more or less just called the movie crap without any meaningful discussion. If there isn't more in depth discussion that I have missed there is really nothing to talk about.
I am sorry if I am raining on a parade but I am not very impressed by people who get on soap boxes and call things kaka even if they are doing it for fun. Arm chair quarterbacks are quick to forget or ignore that the work they dismiss is often the life blood of the filmakers. I wonder how Victor would feel if I simply dismissed his amps kaka. Especially given the fact that I have never auditioned any of them. I suspect his reaction would be much like my reaction has been here. I am glad that you guys enjoy certain movies.It seems that the two of you are stuck in a narrow scope of cinematic taste and are entangled in prejudices against "Hollywood." It seems the fact that LOTRs is considered to be an extraordinarily faithful adaptation of a very dense series of highly critically aclaimed novels is lost on the two of you. If you don't like classic myth fine.This is classic myth at it's best. The depth of work that went into creating another world rich with invented cultures is unparralelled in cinema or literature. The movies and the books from which they are adapted are rich with social, politcal and philsophical comentaries on the *human* existance. If you missed it that is not the film makers' fault. Of course Victor must havbe missed it since he didn't even see the movie. Tales of heros and their journeys are among the oldest stories told, They have value. The juxtapositon of epic tales to the small stories of small characters living through such times and finding the courage to survive and succeed against the odds is evocative of a unique magic that can only be found in well the told stories that are classic myth. There is a reason these stories have survived from the time people gathered around a fire to tell them and hear them to this time where people spend millions of dollars to make such stories for the cinema. Anytime you wish to actually discuss the cinematic merits of LOTRs rather than just trashing it I will happily join in that discussion. Have fun.
You took time and patience, that is good.
Victor wife did took the pencil and wrote a little more on it, if I remember...Victor just comment.
Change my prejudice..After seeing the first two parts, should I have put to electronic paper. So it was not the prejudice you meant.
You see if it would have been a deeply interesting movie I would certainly have more to say on it, but the "utterly wrong " are words directed at people like me who does not have to takes a lot to describe this kind of movies, it is more of a bridge..a short cut if you want, but I also told what was wrong!
Again, it was loud and over digital bright, the actors seems lost behind a blue screen, the story was a little bit confused.
I never read or only if I really can not make my mind, what is more than seldom critic reviews, after writing the few thoughts I had on it I actually did ...and a lot of them like me did find this four endings boring and execessive, but if I were the only one it would not disturb me.
So again what can one discuss of depth, when there is none? Beside that I did wrote a lot more on this film, that it is worth.
Tons and tons.
The problem is that is amps are not kaka.
The way you describe the film is the way this film SHOULD have been.
Helas it is not.
It is noisy, incoherent and badly played. in juxtaposition the " Star Wars " are just a pleasure.
And again I wrote why in more than one post.
See you on a brand new film, with renewed energy!
"You took time and patience, that is good."Thank you.
Victor wife did took the pencil and wrote a little more on it, if I remember...Victor just comment.My dismisal was of Victor's dismisal of a movie he never bothered to watch.
"Change my prejudice..After seeing the first two parts, should I have put to electronic paper. So it was not the prejudice you meant."
Fair enough.
"You see if it would have been a deeply interesting movie I would certainly have more to say on it, but the "utterly wrong " are words directed at people like me who does not have to takes a lot to describe this kind of movies, it is more of a bridge..a short cut if you want, but I also told what was wrong!"Sorry but one cannot rationalize a dismismal without support based on the opinion that the dismisal was warrented. It looks like you are saying you can call a movie crap without explination because you are simply right. I'm not buying that.
"Again, it was loud and over digital bright,"You cannot make a universal claim based on a single viewing in one theater. Most movies are too loud and too bright because they are played back to loudly on systems that are too bright. Not the fault of the film makers.
"the actors seems lost behind a blue screen,"
Not every matt shot was perfect but I'd lay odds you missed the majority of them because they were done so well. It isn't easy to create another world with a rich history without the occassional technical error or the occassional performace problem.
" the story was a little bit confused."The story was very dense with an entirely invented world full of diverse cultures, each with it's own rich history. But if you knew the material you would know that it was amazingly clear given all the content of the books. It is impossible for that much material to be clear on the first viewing.
"I never read or only if I really can not make my mind, what is more than seldom critic reviews, after writing the few thoughts I had on it I actually did ...and a lot of them like me did find this four endings boring and execessive, but if I were the only one it would not disturb me."I am glad that you are independent. However, the ending was IMO neither excessive nor boring. I found the subtle examination of life after the greatest adventure to be quite moving. The pictures of Sam living his life on the Shire after all that he had been through and after loosing his best friend, the person he shared this amazing adventure with to be quite poignient and layered in it's emotional content.
"So again what can one discuss of depth, when there is none?"You aasume to be the arbritator of depth now. the depth is there. Just because you are not in tune with it doesn't make it nonexistant.
" Beside that I did wrote a lot more on this film, that it is worth.
Tons and tons."
I didn't find anymore than what I cited other than more out of hand dismisals. But you are always free to cite what I may have missed.
"The problem is that is amps are not kaka."Niether is LOTRs. The real problem is calling something kaka without even experiencing it.
"The way you describe the film is the way this film SHOULD have been."No I am describing what I saw.
"Helas it is not."LOTRs is arguably the greatest myth of the twentienth century. It is arguably amoung the greatest myths in the history of liturayure. It is inarguably the most developed and carefully thought out myth ever.
"It is noisy, incoherent and badly played."Nope.
in juxtaposition the " Star Wars " are just a pleasure.
The first two are great movies IMO.
"And again I wrote why in more than one post."I haven't found it.
"See you on a brand new film, with renewed energy!"
I think Victor took a look at one of the episode, or a part of it, and I am intend to think that it is for a man of great movies experience, enough time to find out, it is like if your passion is for wine..A little sniffing...a little tasting and you recognise what quality you have..Of course at this, you could with a film be wrong, I remember of a few films that I didsmissed after a few glances and later took a new visioning and...I did like them.
But in the case of LOTR..I can only approve him. The best French movie review " Les Cahiers du Cinema " I found out three weeks ago being in Paris and reading their critic. But I will not want to give you the impression to hide behind any or someone.
I wrote really a lot on this film! Not only what you did found out, and more on the " Outside Asylum " but we complete our review too, you should read the one from " Bernardo " for a more substential ( in your view ) take!
Well, you are right in the way that in " our " discussion " I fail to bring more arguments but this is of my lack of interrest after writing so much on it, and for too long. Try to find the whole thing. There has been two threads, ore more and very long!
Now I will be ready to discuss at any time at any lenght the works of Bergman or others in this league.
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