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In Reply to: Spielberg did NOT do his homework posted by grinagog on March 10, 2004 at 19:35:59:
Or perhaps you too did not do your homework on a subject where "accuracy should have been a given"?
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The SS officer Amon Goeth, the Commandant of the Plaszow labor camp, had made the final 'liquidation' of the Crakow ghetto and had experience at three death camps in eastern Poland, Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka.Did you get that impression from the mivie?
I thought he was frightening but more like a guy who'd whack a family for some pork bellies, not someone who was responsible for deaths of tens of thousands of people.
He liquidated the Cracow ghetto in the film. If your complaint is that Schindler's List - a film about Schindler and Schindler Jews and you think a different movie should have been made about Amon Goeth and the history of Amon Goeth then I missed something.Gas chambers, contrary to popular belief, was not the holocaust. Gassing occurred by many estimates as late as 1944. This film is about one group of people and what happened to them and their savior.
Amon during this specific period is the only thing that matterred.
A lot of people prefer the lone holocaust story from Single perspectives like Ann Frank or a film like the Pianist which have next to no detail on the holocaust or really any of the big picture. It makes for a better human drama - though the Polanski's film managed not to and of course making it a far weaker film in all respects. But that's another story.
Actually it was 1940! And generalised in 1942.
No show me where and who said this. Reports in 1940 were of gas vans. November 1942 is the early date of use from my references at established camps. Wide scale actual gassing came later - probably as late as when Hitler and cronies began to see the inevitable loss.
Chamber gas or chamber vans..I do not make no difference, the matter is when did the nazis started to kill this way, as or 1942 we both agree.
The thing is it's very difficult to pin down because there is no record of an actual order for the gassing written down anywhere. And from a group that was very very well documented.Much of the killing in Schindler's is cold blooded shooting. Harder than flipping a gas switch. Or it should have been. But they enjoyed doing what they did. No German was ever killed for disobaying an order to kill Jews. This little fact is rarely discussed and it's pretty big.
My psychologuy instructor once said 20-30% of a population borders on psychopathic and or sociopathic behavior. The Nazi's would draw such people. "I get to kill as many people as I want and not go to jail?" Great way to draw the puss of society to one group.
Zyclon B / 1941
Actually gas chambers was an inventions of commisars, in 1918, during Civil War in Russia. During 1918 - 1922, were killed millions of russians, ukrainians and others by "bolshevicks" - under Trozkiy, Sverdlov, Tuhachevskiy, Yagudi and so on... So Gitler didn't invent anything new- he just borrowed idea from "kommisars".Regarding racial theory and eliminations and "surgery" - it's was also stolen from USA "scientists". In 1930's were a lot of experiments and so on on real people, and it was (and is) even protected by the law in many USA states.. This practice was keeping until 1976 (last time in Sweden).
Needles to say, that everybody know that "Man of the year", by "Time" magazine in 1939, in USA was Gitler.
So, I'm just wondering, why people don't see to whom humankind should be grateful for mass-murder?
Just MHO. Regards!
A resounding YES!
Of course not! But you can pinpoint where the " B " did go .
That no one was killed..Hum..I won´t swear...Toward the end of the war a lot of soldiers have been killed mostly under the pretex of desertion...
I am not complaining about anything.
I didn't believe Fiennes performance in the role of Amon Goeth, that's all.
but I will stick to my guns; the portrayals and Keneally novel were engaging 1/2 truths when the subject was serious enough to warrant a grain or two more truth
Spielberg went to extreme efforts to ensure accuracy of costume and even locations; one scene has a steam train arriving through the gates of Auschwitz and I have stood on that platform when I visited Poland, what upsets me is that that level of accuracy was achieved, yet the story is fatally flawed as the portrayal of Schindler does not show this man as he really wasGrins
What in this movie are you picking on about the facts. For a start Emily Schindler did do much - and this was left out of the film...once again any history of an individual is never 100%. If you think ANY film on ANY history of anything is accurate you don't have competancy in history. Claude Lanzman film is 9 hours long and has about 1hour of actuyal historical merit the rest is deeply flawed - and proven so. Historically it's far worse than the small things that were "bent" for Schindler's List.There is no way for Emily Schindler to know what Oscar was doing 24 hours a day. Survivor's themselves provided much of the info on What Schindler did. Emily is 86 at the time of that interview.
She denied nothing of what he did other than providing food. Spielberg presented Oscar as an alcoholic and a womanizer cheating on his wife numerously. Nothing about him was a saint.
I kinda didn't pay attention to Neeson, since I didn't know his story was different.
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