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In Reply to: Re: Schlinder's List on DVD posted by patrickU on March 12, 2004 at 04:31:13:
No German soldier or otherwise was ever killed during any part of world war II for not following orders to kill Jews.The general public was in fear no doubt because of propoganda.
I highly recommend both the Christopher R Browning(Ordinary Men) and Daniel J Goldhagen (Hitler's Willing Executioners) books on the general public's attitudes during this time. Both books were around the same time and after Schindler's List and it is quite interesting how well Schindler's manages to stay impartial - and Keneally too a decade before for tht matter.
In fact some of the batallions that were ordered to go out and shoot Jewish kids in the forrest were given the option not to. These were not soldiers or Nazi's but police battalions. 11 out of 500+ opted out with no punishment. The rest were quite happy to one presumes.
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Killed or not ( who could swear that nobody was killed for refusing this order), no but they used " freiwillige "..( volunteers ).
Not only of the propaganda...They could get a certain time in KZ or jail!
I know the book but my experience of 35 years in Germany and all the questions and answers that I asked are more important to me!
The nazis did some others things..Like lynching US pilots who have been caught as PO.
Deletations were common too.
The " Wehrmacht " did also horrible crimes.
Oh I'm sorry I didn't mean to suggest people were not afraid of the Nazi's. I have no doubt people may have thought they'd be killed or detained for helping Jews. The Nazi's kept outstanding records however of everything. Two things they get credit for. Record keeping and propaganda. You say the same lie loud enough long enough people will start to believe it.For example: The Nazis claimed the Jews were dirty lice riddles people like verman. They were spoutingthis well before 1939. At the time of course People would not have seen this to be the case. But after kicking the Jews out of their homes giving them little to no food and stealing all their money and possessions and having 12 to a room for 4 years well - they began to look dirty had lice and met the descriptions the Nazis were spouting the entire time.
A great two part diary from Vitor Klemperer is a fascinating read because unlike the less weighty Anne Frank(which is more for average Shmoe) Klemperer was an Academic teaching at a University in Germany. Victor was classed as a Mischling because he was married to a German woman so the Nazis were slower and different in their treatment to them. His accounts which span 1939 to the end of the war are highly fascinating and carry a lot of historical weight from yet another perspective.
I agree with most of what you're saying. But remember Schindler's List is not directly ABOUT the Holocaust - it is about one man that managed to save lives during this period and THAT can't be forgotten either. Because if one man can do that in that time under that threat against those odds -- that means something.
About your comments on the condition of living of the Jews that was true for the one living in the Ghettos.
I have the books.
Slower until the Wannsee conference. ( there is avery good film on it, as you will certainly be aware of )
Not directly*? I think one can dispute your point of view. In my eyes it was!
For the rest I agree entirely.* Actually Schindler was in the yes of the storm.
PS: Nuit et brouillard and The sorrow and the Pity
I found this one particularly chilling.
Yes, and more as a documentary as a film.
It just sounds " true ".PS : Have you see " The Gathering Storm " I saw it twice and it was even getting better the second time, a real good performance of one of Britainīs best actor.
I have not seen this but will keep an eye peeled for it. Thanks.
and one who ran the show brought his pregnat wife along to watch the shootings...pictures say so much.
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