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In Reply to: Jurassic Park rules! posted by Len_ on March 13, 2004 at 22:30:19:
There's nothing wrong with foreign flicks, but it's nice to take a break from all the "Grey Poupon" art-house mustard being slathered on between this forum's frankest-furters. It gets a little monotonous scrolling past all the foreign-foo, mostly from Victor and Patrick, just to find the occasional discussion of home-grown cinema and classic American film fare.So, c'mon Len, start workin' on another six-pack and tell 'em what you REALLY think! ;^)
CHEERS,
AuPh
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Drop your American small-town arrogance, AuPh - this forum is supposed to be the meeting place for people from all over the world, not JUST from the US.Let me remind you, that the US represents only about 5% of the world population. Great as it is, it simply can't be the best in ALL areas, and its strenght has always been in recognizing this - somehting you are steadfastedly refusing to do.
While the US has probably the highest movie output in the world, its share of great films is probably on the order of 20% or so...
Given that, it makes all the sense to a movie lover to step outside his small town and see that best does the world have to offer - amazingly it is quite eazy to do these days, so enjoy!
;^)Of course your intent is to obscure the real point which has nothing to do with approval or disapproval of foreign cinema, but rather the incessant hammering of American popular cinema. No offense, but you guys remind me of a couple of tantrum throwing children who get upset because they can't get enough kids interested in their favorite toys to make it competitive. So, what do you do? You talk among yourselves and run down everyone else's favorite "toys" in post after post while heaping praise on the "toys" you find more interesting than the popular ones.
AuPh
"Drop your American small-town arrogance, AuPh - this forum is supposed to be the meeting place for people from all over the world, not JUST from the US."Are you seriously asking someone to drop their brand of arogance? What about your anti-Hollywood arogance? That is OK I guess? Iknow I know. Your biases are simply right so they are OK but his are simply wrong so they must be dropped.
"Let me remind you, that the US represents only about 5% of the world population. Great as it is, it simply can't be the best in ALL areas, and its strenght has always been in recognizing this - somehting you are steadfastedly refusing to do."You are right. We are not the best at everything, China has us beat in ping pong, New Zealand (and Australia for that matter since you have trouble telling them apart) have us beat in Rugby, Belgium kills us in quality chocolate. The list goes on and on.
"While the US has probably the highest movie output in the world, its share of great films is probably on the order of 20% or so..."
India kills us on movie output.
"Given that, it makes all the sense to a movie lover to step outside his small town and see that best does the world have to offer - amazingly it is quite eazy to do these days, so enjoy!"I agree whole heartedly with this.
The Indians has by far the greatest output....But then is Hollywood golden...
I've sobered up quite a bit, but even in my stupor, I could recognize that this forum was essentially two or three people posting incessantly about the merits of foreign art house films while trashing anything "hollywood."
What about looking at a " Gremlin´s " film and just trying to make a comment on them?
Frankly, I haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about.
nt
French films are not "foreign" to a Frenchman, Germans are not "foreign" to a German. I personally do not consider ANY film "foreign" - only bad ones are foreign to me.
Yes, it's American-centric. You seem to say it with negative connotations. I'm an American. Anything not American is, by definition, foreign to me. Take the meaning at face value. Arguing semantics is a fool's pursuit.
If this was an American movie forum, then what you are saying would hold water.As it is, this is an international one, so for any one group - however prevalent - to hijack its national origin is arrogant.
I suggest we drop the stupid and divisive "foreign" label and simply state the country of origin of the film in question.
And yes, "American-centric" DOES carry negative connotation.
Today we have all the means to enjoy the diverse cultures the world has to offer, so let's not lock ourselves into one tight pigeon hole.
I didn't miss your point. You have missed mine, so let me restate it for you again. This forum is extremely parochial in the scope of its discussion. It's really only a couple of people talking, and IMO, this has come to be by design. You folks drive off discussion of popular films, if you haven't noticed. It's nothing more then pigeon-holing in reverse.You're arguing semantics. You read a lot of pretext into words instead of taking them for their literal definitions. I'll state it again: Foreign, to me, is anything situated outside MY place. It has no ulterior definitions beyond that. American films are foreign to the Chinese. Indian films are foreign to the French. German films are foreign to me. Isn't that simple? Judging by your post history, you love telling people what they should like; But please stop putting your personal definitions in other people's words.
American-centric does not have any negative connotation to me. Neither does any other ethnocentric viewpoint. We are all products of our upbringing and needn't make apologies for it. Again, this isn't to say we shouldn't broaden our cultural palette by sampling what the world has to offer (and more importantly to me, trying to understand how others' think). But seeing the world through ethnocentric eyes is perfectly reasonable IMO. And if someone doesn't appreciate other culture's works, who are you to tell them they're ignorant, arrogant, or stupid?
No one is driving off any discussion here - if you don't feel like posting on your "popular films" then surely no one is gonna miss it... I am certainly not going to write your posts.So far you have done many posts mostly attacking my opinions - that is fine with me, but if you instead put your energy into writing about what you like, then you perhaps would not feel that left out.
So I shall continue posting my opinions on the movies I see, and you may continue hiding yours - but please, spare us that snotty boy whine.
You're a pompous jackass. Does that suit your fancy? Congradulations; you got me stooped to your level.I've posted in a grand total of TWO threads that expressed my disdain how you express your opinion. I didn't realize that constituted "many." I must've struck a nerve. Let's make a deal.
I'll spare you the "snotty boy whine" if you spare us your arrogance. Seems fair to me.
I am not sure it came across clearly, but I really don't give rat's ass what you do or don't - so be your own guide.As I said, I post what I feel touches me - I think this is the only fair and honest thing to do.
What you do is your business, I have no say in it. But if you decided not to bless us with your insight, then don't come here crying that the "popular film" you liked was not properly covered here - that's all.
Anyways... it is a quiet period at the moment, as the cable channels seem to be full of kaka and nothing else... and I couldn't make it to the rental store this weekend.
But I know the world is full of interesting films, so I am not gonna limit myself to regurgitating the Lost in Translation - I shall let Patrick roll his eyes in rememberance of her sexy voice - he-he... - and I shall wait for his reaction to "What Happened Was..." - which was not, BTW, a foreign film even to you... he also had an interesting reactions to Rublev, and I woudln't mind seeing him write about it.
I would submit to you, my dear nasty friend, that if someone simply looked at every film I posted a positive review about here, he would not be so badly off overall at all... surely, he would end up with some disagreements, but I have no doubts it would open up his horizons... just like following the recommendations of some good folks here did open mine.
Back to surfing channels... have a cold one - seems like you really need it.
nt
Has to mention what, specifically? Or are you just Victor's yes-man?
You and me are not on the same.
What makes your's and Patrick's Euro-centic film perspectives any more credible than anyone else's? If it's because you post more often than other folks, that seems like a rather lame argument. As for which movies are "bad" or "good", that's a matter of taste; I might think your's is as decadent as you do mine!> > > "I personally do not consider ANY film "foreign" - only bad ones are foreign to me." < < <
No offense, but as far as I can tell, no one has annointed YOU or Patrick the caretakers of what's bad and/or good cinema. However, from the number of pretentious "squeeky wheel" posts you guys promulgate around here it's beginning to look like your agendas are more along the line of making this Forum into a personal referendum on American cinema!
AuPh
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As it should read in a Films place.
I thank our mutual friend here for pointing out your confused nature. Without it I would still be under impression you simply loved good films.Sometimes I do get pissed with all that America vs. the rest of the world kaka. Pretty soon on Music lane someone will brand Beethoven a "foreign" composer.
How much more idiotic can this get?
But was he not an Austrian?
after a little Wagner and a cigar.
Cigar? That is apocriph!
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nt
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You unvoluntary humour...
Your personal " bête noire ".
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