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In Reply to: How about a specialty forum for American or English language films? posted by Dalton on March 14, 2004 at 23:31:48:
I think that you'd get a fracture that would cause both boards to slow down and then wither away. DVDA is very slow and it's kind of like being forced to go sit in the corner by a teacher. I think HiRez folks are happy, but I wish we would have kept it as one, mostly.Post about your Hollywood movies, nobody's stiffling you. Like Nike says, JUST DO IT!
Chris
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In Hi-Rez, you have deep factionalism into two distinct ideologically hide-bound audio philosophies; this has been fueled by the competition within the industry as well as personal pro vs con attitudes about each format from zealots.Of course I could be mistaken, but film appreciation is quite different audio zealotry. While there most certainly are varying tastes in film, ranging from anime` and action to "Grey Poupon" elitist I think it's fair to say that everyone here loves the cinema and would frequent both sites. However, we've seen recently a spate of posts, mostly from two individuals carrying on an all-too-public private conversation about their personal preferences while disparaging popular American cinema in various distateful ways. In essence, these posts are creating divisions which seem more appropriate for a snobbish intellectual circle moderated by Peter Bogdonovich or Andrew Sarris than in an open film forum.
The best way to resolve this might be, as Dalton has suggested, a division of Forums into something along the lines of American and International cinema. This would allow folks to share opinions on current releases, DVD, etc., on two separate albeit linked boards without wondering if they've stepped into the wrong forum when their favorite films are called "kaka". It would encourage participation even for those who don't speak 15 different friggin' languages or prefer visceral action-oriented entertainment to watching sleep-inducing cerebral fare.
Of course you may not feel that there's enough traffic on the Film/DVD Board to warrant such a split, and that does make some sense based upon the amount of traffic, but might that also be reflective of the anti-American and/or anti-popular film sentiment on this board currently? IMHO, condescension builds walls, not bridges.
AuPh
"However, we've seen recently a spate of posts, mostly from two individuals carrying on an all-too-public private conversation about their personal preferences"
This is a good thing IMO. People exposing other people to movies they love is a value to this forum.
" while disparaging popular American cinema in various distateful ways."
Just call them on it. I have. They are big boys. They can take it. Who knows, maybe they'll offer some substance with their negative opinions eventually and we can have an interesting examination of films.
That is the very own reason of this Forum.
And now letīs discuss some films. From Ford ( one of my prefered director ) to whatever you want.
***without wondering if they've stepped into the wrong forum when their favorite films are called "kaka".Poor cry baby! Don't worry - daddy saved a hanky for your tears!
For someone always willing to insult this is a hear-breaking display of sudden sensitivity! Is this your soft underbelly you are showing us?
Really... not since I left the kindergarten at 7 have I seen such a sobbing session.
Personally, I think that you're still belly-achin' about the well deserved drubbing you recently received from your's truly over on Page 2 of the Outside Forum. Hey, it wasn't personal; you really should try developing a sense of ironic humor. FTR, there's never been ANY serious sexual innuendoes made, dude, unless you really are afraid of large Amazon women (Xenaphobia). ;^)BTW, on a more serious note, have you ever considered the possibility that your's and Patrick's pretentious self-absorbed posts may dissuade folks from contributing their opinions? The fact that you are so wrapped up in calling films you don't appreciate "kaka" or worse and then being dubbed by your few sycophants as knowledgeable contributors to this forum may dampen discussion as well as the sharing of information and interests.
Cheers,
AuPh
Just because we did not like LOTR.
AuPh we are NOT pretentious or else. We have an opinion made of ( for me ) of more than foty five years of movies watching, and you and your kind are the real pretentious, and the one that does not tolerate others opinions.
Show me in our films discussions what is pretentious, ah maybe you speaks of films you never have seen and never will see, if that is pretentious, then we are, I recognise culprit.
How about changing the boring discussion in something more positive and start a new life with a new film?
Patrick
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;^)You are right that I found LoTR an excellent film trilogy, but the comment from Buffalo Bob's Peanut Gallery (i.e., you, Victor, Patrick and one or two others) were far from intellectually inspired. Perhaps you think Victor's "kaka" remarks and Patrick's alluding to non-existent racism and homo-eroticism in Tolkien is scholorly analysis, but I'm not persuaded. BTW, you know that I'm not a fan of the Planet if the Apes sequels, so I'm not sure why you persist in making such references, but if you want to play "check your brain at the door and toss out lies, distortions and misquotes", then I'll gladly oblige.
AuPh
You and some others here are determined to force others to eat more kaka than absolutely necessary.Get this message - a kaka movie doesn't need to be watched in full.
It also doesn't deserve more comment than one simple kaka.
LOTR is one such movie.
So while I usually provide more justification of kaka rating in my posts (see archives, if interested), that one doesn't deserve any more than a quick dismissive kaka statement.
So you feel rejected... you put that giant excrement on the table and many ran away from it... you are left to consume it all by yourself.
Right. BUT... no one forced you to eat it. So do as you wish, but stop whining at the rejection - you are getting beyond repetitions.
And frankly... you are lying here, plain and simple.
You know full well I have written quite a few words on that piece of crap - so why are you lying? And so did my wife.
So don't be a cheap liar - stop bending truth.
In the end, your negativism and Patrick's just doesn't hold up; 11 well deserved Academy Awards speaks louder than all your kaka.AuPh
Sometimes the " actors " donīt speaks and / or donīt look at the camera, the digital noise ( music ) is low beat...
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You see, that makes a lot of difference from where I'm sitting; BTW, your dismissal of LoTR doesn't bother me nearly as much as your rude blathering on about it. Your wife was polite, as was mine in discussing their differing viewpoints; I respect that. While Roxanne and I politely disagreed with your wife's opinion on Peter Jackson's beautiful realization of Tolkein's trilogy, your views are much less deserving of such cordiality because you apparently prefer to roll around in the "kaka", trashing the films in the most disrespectful manner and insulting folk's tastes.I realize that I'm probably talking to the Russian version of a "whaling wall", but Victor, if you take time reflecting back on those posts you'll clearly see that you, Clark & your "loyal Igor" Patrick were trying to provoke a fight at every opportunity with anyone who liked these films. Food for thought.
AuPh
Listen, please stop insulting us by pretending what you are not - a polite individual with good taste. You have been as rude as anyone I know, so shove all that pretense into your orifice.I hate to see people lie, and you made a career out of it.
You keep begging for some respect, all the while being one of the most insulting individuals here - should I call you a hipocrite? OK, I just have.
Be a man and stop whining, this is getting idiotic. If you are "man" enough to insult like you always do, at least pretend to be one on the receiving end.
Notice - those you routinely insult don't end up whining like a pregnant 13 years old, as you constantly are. If you can't take criticism of a moviwe you love - stay away from here, that's the best advice I can give you. Insult the ones I love all you want, OTOH, I really don't care.
A whining old fart... this is getting so boringly silly I am about to puke.
Your LOTR is piece of crap - OK?
Whine now.
Statutory considerations notwithstanding, that odd and somewhat disturbing statement opens a line of inquiry I'd rather not pursue.> > > "You keep begging for some respect, all the while being one of the most insulting individuals here - should I call you a hipocrite? OK, I just have." < < <
With all due respect to your Beggin' Strips initiative, sorry, but I have to decline for lack of interest; you're barking up the wrong tree. BTW, just a friendly piece of advice: next time, if you want to insult someone using highfalutin abrasive words like hypocrite, at least take the time to spell-check the friggin' word! Otherwise, stay with simpler words like "kaka" that you understand intimately and rarely misspell.
> > > "If you are 'man' enough to insult like you always do, at least pretend to be one on the receiving end." < < <
Sorry, but isn't that a homophobic/xenophobic joke? ;^)
Seriously, I'd probably take umbrage at someone stating that I "always" insult since most folks around here know for a fact that that isn't true, but considering the source perhaps we should just take pity and simply ask if you require any assistance getting down from your petard.
> > > "Your LOTR is a piece of crap - OK?" < < <
Well you like Solaris, ...SO THERE! :o)
*YAWN* ... It's getting rather late and having mentioned Solaris is enough to make my eyelids droop, so take care everybody, and Victor, be careful around those wayward 13 year olds, okay? ;^)
G'night all!
Cheers,
AuPh
I gave you a gentle exit, where a simple "Yes, you are right", or something like that would have sufficed, but you are not at that level, obviously.Next time I catch you lying I will smack you harder.
Speaking of Solaris - I would never throw a hysterical feat over your dislike of it. You, OTOH, spent days whining about my not loving LOTR.
;^)
...a "historical" feat?...Yes you caught the cat, plus, just look at the title of his note to me that began this sub-thread, for an example of his inamiability -- and him claiming to be so pleasant and all. Whatta laff riot he is.
clark
As if folks haven't noticed, there is a small cadre of self-aggrandizing sycophants that feed off of each other's "Grey Poupon" sensitivities, and/or insensitivities when the mood strikes them. For want of a better description, these fine gentlemen are this forum's art-house snobs; unfortunately, they often go out of their way to be unpleasant. I could mention them by name, but that's neither polite nor really necessary; they know who they are as do the observant here, and since Colin Powell isn't pressing me to give up their names let's just keep it that way. Besides, they're easily recognized by their common predisposition to an intense dislike of almost every current Hollywood production unless it's inaccessible to the masses or controversial in some politically incorrect fashion (i.e., in other words, a Conservative's wet-dream). Oh yes, in an example of fathomless oxymora they do seem to gravitate toward subtitled, foreign and Euro-centric filmfare, even though, curiously enough, they frequently disapprove of European politics and culture.I think that just about covers it.
AuPh
To your 11 awards I have to say - even I was shocked... even knowing what the "academy" is today.But accept one thing - the majority opinon matters zilch to me in such matters. I form my own.
"To your 11 awards I have to say - even I was shocked... even knowing what the "academy" is today."What do you think the Academy is today? What do you think it once was?
"But accept one thing - the majority opinon matters zilch to me in such matters. I form my own."You might want to consider that when five nominations are involved you will probably rarely have an actual majority opinion. I suspect that often the majority of the Academy members didn't agree with the winners.
To me 11 awards simply means a shrug of a shoulder. I never watch it anyways... not past the dress-and-boobs part, anyhow.He is mightily proud of the awards... a blind, misguided man!
"To me 11 awards simply means a shrug of a shoulder. I never watch it anyways... not past the dress-and-boobs part, anyhow."I didn't ask you what the awards meant to you what you though the Academy had become based on your comment about what it had become and I asked what you thought it once was.
He is mightily proud of the awards... a blind, misguided man!
In your limmited world perhaps. "There ar more thing in heaven and earth..." You might be better recieved if you were to stop confusing your personal taste with objective standards of excellence.
What makes you think you managed to ask something that deserved a question?So far you said nothing that interested me enough. And if you keep this idiotic game, then you will be talking to yourself most of the time.
You obviously don't respect anyone's informed opinons unless they happen to agree with your own or those of the few sycophants you babble back and forth with around here (i.e., Clark and Patrick, primarily). If THAT is what you meant by the comment "you said nothing that interested me enough" then perhaps he would be better off talking to himself, but judging by Analogg Scott's more reasoned viewpoint and the civility he's expressed thus far, that's unlikely.AuPh
You so sweet. But since you have no idea what that stupid game he plays is, I shall leve you in the dark.BTW - careful, Dmitry might cite you for crowding.
When you have chance to comprehand what we are talking about here, feel free to come back.
You are close to truth on one thing - I indeed have little respect for your opinion - that is your fault, of course. I however shall not say your usual idiotic things about it - please feel free to express it as much as you want.
If I were you, I would be falling on the floor, foam on my mouth... but I have better things to do.
...because it's easily recognizable as a condescending attitude regardless of nuance or intent. No one has ever said that you don't know how to insult folks because you do that quite well, but doing it with wit or class is another matter. Keep working on it though; there's hope for you yet! :o)AuPh
Listen, I know you hate me, that is fine with me, but please try not to look like an idiot by putting your dirty foot into your mouth.If you want to say something nasty, at least make it relevant to the tread.
You seem to think that most or all of the negative impressions are mine, but you might be surprised to learn just how off-the-wall your remarks appear to others. If you think that some little inside joke or observation you're trying to put across creates a favorable impression on those not privy to it, you'd be rudely mistaken. Most folks don't care or won't say anything and there's always your little sycophant clique of Patrick & Clark who'll pretty much go along with anything you post here, but that hardly constitutes the majority of the folks and informed opinion around here.AuPh
Didn't you mama tell you to keep your advice to yourself until asked?What is it with some amateur psychologists - they are contantly looking for next "patient".
How about behaving like a well brought up person (am afraid to all you man... your sensitivities, you know...) and sticking to your thoughts in polite, considered way?
Too much to ask for?
Why am I keeping my thoughts on you private? Take that hint. It might save you from being hated.
If all your venom and nasty attacks did not stop me from coming here, then I am sure grown men should be able to accept criticism of something as silly as films.As I said, I am having hard time tolerating your sobs... even more so your sheep skin. I will much rather take your usual rudeness than watch you cry.
I don't need "Mr. Hanky" from you either! The aroma of kaka-scented criticisms tell me that this is one handkerchief which should remain in your pocket where it belongs. ;^)AuPh
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Plus, you'd then have Victor and Patrick talking to each other all of the time!Chris
Unfortunately, this isn't the same area of expertise, not by a long shot, as espoused by Victor & Patrick.BTW, I'm not sure that Victor and Patrick having their own space to talk to each other all the time is such a bad idea; it could be called the "Waiting for Godot Forum" with Victor portraying Vladimire Lucky and Patrick, Estragon! :o)
Cheers,
AuPh
How low can you get?
There are no signs that Hollywood is dying.On the other hand, if just a couple of contributors at the original combined Hi-Rez board had shown a little respect for differing views and a little self-restraint in their posts, there would have been no reason for a split. Hmm. Maybe you're right.
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