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In Reply to: Re: Good Hollywood movies/what happened? posted by RGA on March 15, 2004 at 18:16:38:
A resounding yes. From pop corn to the haunted trains that is all what is left, even a childish fun movie like " Le Pirates des Caraibes " was well made and somehow funny till the strange digital effects ruin it. We should ban the over use of this.
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just look at American Werewolf in London versus the one in Paris. Aside from the first one being rather geared as dark humour the EFFECT look better to boot.I'm not a huge fan of CGI. Occasionally it is done well...but some technicians are simply better than others. I actually prefer the stop motion and blue screen work and actual set construction of Empire Strikes back than the new Lucas Shlock cashing in on the Star Wars name.
I'm not against CGI if it's done well but theat last Bond movie was atrocious for effects.
The reason you go to a Bond movie is to have a laugh at the ridicuolous impossible stunts and the hero. Nothing is expected from those films than Bond beating up some bad guys to save the world in the most ridiculous plots imaginable. BUT, Bond movies were supposed to be the best action films visually - now it's just another video-game McMovie.
I totally agree. My favorite, arguably the best Bond ever, "Goldfinger", actually takes time for a golf game. Also, the begining scenes (the electocution of the would be assissin, the diver doing a flip off the high dive) are morrored at the end.
I have only seen the Werewolf* / London and the effects were ( for the time ) amazing, in fact it was fascinating! Such a degree of perfection! You would have wanted them too on films like Stephenson´s Mr. Hyde or Wide´s Dorian Gray! But it is a dangerous path as they left less over to your own fantasy, look at the German films of the impresionism time, no SE but all art in the visual and imagination of the director and skills of the cameraman.
The two last Star Wars ( actually the last of the first batch was already a cash / toys / Puppies cash in) were SO weak and boring after all this years of hoping for better sequels as the first " Matrix " realised ( The two others...terrible...like the Stars War three & four & five-not in the Lucas chronology- but as they actually came out.
Again the same scheme. the first two or three Bond were erotic ansd sensual, animalistic and sadistic..the right mixed..Some of the later had some times more humor, but were more self destructives and more a pastiche as of the rendition intend in Fleming´s books.
And that is the general tendancy world wide, starting from Hollywood it reach now every enchors, world wide.
Look at the French Films! The same shit, heve you seen " Le Pact des Loups " ?
The hollywood copy less the utterly American professionalism!
We should put some of our money where fantasy and art is still alive.
As cinema is a wonderful experience, it brings you in another world withtout danger ,in the cosyness of a theater or of your own four walls.
I think you're overdoing it a bit on special effects however.2001 is one of the greatest science fiction films IMO the best Science Fiction film ever made that actually had something relevant to say about mankind the universe our reliance on technology. The medium itself is a rather ironic to boot.
But there is a film that WITHOUT special effects would not have worked - the effects were integral to the story telling.
Now i certainly agree for the MOST part that filmakers rely on the effects over the screenwriter.
jar jar ruined Star Wars phantom menace. All CGI.
Yoda looked real in the 77 Star Wars. The difference was not effects...effects don't ruin the movie - the original didn't take itself seriously...it had serious elements and a huge larger than life story but it was funny. The Phantom Menace was a morbid bore.
Well, Ido not want to go all my critics on " 2001 " as often done here on this forum suffice is to say that I never like this film and certainly never will ( I try a little piece recently again ) I do find it artificial with pseudo deeph and glued to the 60´s LSD experiences irrevocably over done.
Well the text and pseudo religious terminalogy on all Star Wars were ridiculous as they were in the second Matrix ( the first one was actually clever made ) .
Never the less, I still did in a certain way enjoy the first two ( not really any more ) when they came out, the sound ...the picture dimension....
Lucas last remake, ruined them.
I can't recall a case when the effects made a good movie bad. Usually the films they are used in are bad to begin with, so the effects don't really hurt them.I mean - remove those dreaded garrish effects from the Gladiator - what's left would not be a good film by any stretch of imagination.
By the same token, no good director making a good film would use what we would normally call "effects" for effects sake. There might be subtle enhancements, embelishments here and there, but nothing that calls attention to itself.
Ridley Scott set the goal for himself to impress everyone with effects - and it became his downfall. In his interview about the film all he talked about was the effects... can you imagine Bergman talk about stuff like that?
As always, the taste and subtlety rule here as well.
No wonder! Good movies don´t have this " over kill " effects! In the " Ten Commandements " they were a sensation at the time, in the meantime they are the cause for making a film and not the other way around.
"A resounding yes. From pop corn to the haunted trains that is all what is left, even a childish fun movie like " Le Pirates des Caraibes " was well made and somehow funny till the strange digital effects ruin it. We should ban the over use of this."Sure. Starting with the original King Kong we should ban all movies with any special effects. Give me a break. Most of them are so good now you miss them.
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