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In Reply to: An obscure* Soviet film: Andrei Rublev..... posted by patrickU on March 15, 2004 at 12:58:08:
...but I don't like AT. Well, to be completely honest - I HATE him.
I was growing up when it was COOL to like hime and SQUARE not to and I would better die than let someone assume I am square.
So I was pretending that I liked him and even forced myself to express my thoughts about his "art".
And then he shot "Solaris".
That was the last drop for me, because I REALLY like Lem and I never appreciated a director changing a book of a great author. If you are so f...g smart - write your own script and shoot it.
But no, he takes this REALLY deep book and changes it so much that the whole idea behind it disappears.
But that was not enough - he destroys (pretty much the same way) great book by Strugatsky brothers...
I HATE T.!
Follow Ups:
I like Andrei Rublev, but watching Nostal'gia and Sacrifice was not easy. Not easy at all.
Nostalgia and Stalker I could do without, and Sacrifice is just Bergman, not Tarkovsky. Beautiful, for sure, but not authentic.
That leaves what, 2 films of his? 3? Andrei and Solaris?
Why would you then want poor Patrick suffering through the whole Tarkovsky shebang?
Poor Patrick is only sorry for himself and at the same time mad with him because he was not able to discover before his work. That did happen because he was too young to look at " Solaris "....
Simply because of Tarkovsky's stature. One might like him or not, but he is one of significant directors.Not just two films, though. I would certainly include the Steamroller, Ivanovo Detstvo and of course the Mirror.
As I said, he only made 8 significant films, so watching them all would not break anyone's bank, but would give a good perspective on the director's art.
Who knows, Patrick might fall in love with Stalker - I know people who are crazy about it, so it would seem appropriate to take a look, given Patrick's taste palette.
Naturally...Go for it, Patrick! At the end you will be given a "Film/DVD Asylum Executive Vice-President" t-shirt.
First the " Mirror ".
I must say that the version of W & P is still on my mind. A formidable work, with the big shadow of Tolstoi, a perfect match.
Have you seen Liv Ullman " Faithless "?
Sadly no. I have not seen Faithless, but if I come across it I'll pick it up.I'd be interested in reading what you say about Tarkovsky after you go the full cycle. If you last, that is...
I MUST last ( Victor is watching too closely..) If you ever want to go down deeply on relations between man and woman, you MUST (x2 ) see Faithless.
So strong.
...a pretty warm sweater for Nelly. Poor little doggie has to suffer in that horrible 20 degrees cold. That's Centigrade, man.Put some classy inscription on it. Something like "I Pooped on Film!"
Patrick is being quite careless, BTW. He still has books and records on the bottom shelves, where the little cutie can certainly find them.
Maybe she loves old collectabel vinyl.
Alex, I was under impression that you were at least ten years younger than I... is that so?If that is so, then it sounds like you were able to develop a strong and clear taste for Tarkovsky at the age of 10 or so. And then, when you were just 12, Solaris came and crashed you?
Where am I wrong?
As far as Tarkovsky destroying Strugatsky... I never liked their books. Read them many times, but never got impressed.
I guess all these things are quite personal.
I loved Lem, and I do love Tarkovsky's Solaris perhaps even more. They are loosely related, like most movies and their literary origins, and that is fine with me, as I can perfectly see each one of them on their own merits.
Of course I am oversimplifying! :)
I was born in 65, so most of his movies I saw as I was growing up and getting interested in them.
However, I saw Solaris AFTER I read Lem (if it was the other way I would probably like T better) and same with "Piknik na obochine".
Of course. And I am not going to try to win you over to the Solaris lover club, but all I can say the film is deeply human, more so than the book, I think. Lem is more interested in technical aspects (relatively speaking), and Tarkovsky - in human beings.
I always have this problem when watching a movie based on a book - for me the original has to be as untouched as possible.
This is why I love "Dawns are quiet here" (my pathetic translation of "A zori zdes' tikhiye") and why I hate all american versions of "Three Musqueteers".
For me the problem with AT is how freely he treats the book his film is based on. If I did not care for that particular book I would probably think different of AT.
But then again - even his non-literature-based movies are too far from my understanding and my style in movies.
Well, that's why different people like differen things. I am not bothered by the departures - to me the book is usually just the starting point, unless the director intentionally tries to stay close... that is why the term "based on". Sometimes just the very general idea is borrowed.Zori is a great film, I didn't read the book.
One doesn't have to love Tarkovsky, and I would not mention him among my favorite directors either, but to me his greatness seems fairly well established. And works like Rublev and Mirror are solid justification for that.
Well I have not this psycological problem with A.T ( I may have similar with other directors..)
But A.R is a great masterpiece.
My win...Your lost.PS: I start to speak with Victor first here on " Solaris "...I said " boring " ( and a little bir more..) so we start a wonderful friendship.....
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