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Poor baby.
Follow Ups:
What a waste of bandwidth.
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But you should in an all unbiased comment point out that BOTH were.
And I still donīt like the way Len choose to go bashing this forum on other places. If he has some thing that he donīt like here he can confront here it too.
Donīt you think?
But your view maybe bias because of me....
I don't like a few individuals in this forum because of their abrasive, arrogant personalities. I am utterly evil for holding that opinion. Please punish me now."Poor baby"
That's my good troll :::pats patrick on the head:::
Well, poor baby, to be fair, I can't say I like *your* personality much either (they way you entered and behaved was silly), but I don't mind your staying... or going... I don't care either way. I guess that's the difference between you and me.I also don't like the personalities of several other guys here... but since I don't come here to kiss with them, but talk about movies, and some of them have some stuff to say about movies now and then, their personalities don't bother me much either, even if they like to attack me personally, instead of discussing the films.
But as I said - whether you stay or go is entirely your matter, so please spare us this stupid swan song if you decide to no longer honor us with your presence... just disappear - it is far more manly thing to do.
Sheeshh... you came to the film forum, and all you did was attack other's for their opinion... if you said something about movies you might have actually liked it here.
You always have a knack of making a great case for my opinion. Thanks.
Interesting, you are one of the few people who do not much besides attacking others. This is boring, as I would much rather render my opinion on films, not local participants. So perhaps with your departure we shall be able to return to that.I understand that opinions on films can get people upset... but that is no excuse for behaving in an uncivilized manner.
I'm not attacking anyone. I'm stating my disdain for you and Patrick's attitudes. And please note, Patrick resurfaced all of this. Feel free to chastise him."I understand that opinions on films can get people upset..."
What you fail to understand is it isn't really so much your opinions that upset people but the way you choose to express them. We can debate religion or politics if you'd like, but when you start calling my personal opinions/beliefs kaka, you shouldn't expect me to take kindly to it.
"but that is no excuse for behaving in an uncivilized manner."
You are absolutely correct. I don't think I'm being uncivil. At least I'm confident I'm not any more uncivil then you are. Many people have expressed issues with your personality. Instead of berating them as cry-babies and dismissing these issues, why not address them by examining the effects of your actions on this forum.
***We can debate religion or politics if you'd like, but when you start calling my personal opinions/beliefs kaka, you shouldn't expect me to take kindly to it.I now know your problem. Where did I call your beliefs or opinions kaka? You are bordering on direct lie here. Calling a film a kaka, even a film you or I might love, is not the same as calling your opinion same way - don't you see this simple fact?
You apparently belong to a class of people who are not inclined to accept the opinions of others. So when they express ones different from yours you feel you are attacked directly - when in fact the criticism was of some third party, or object.
I can't imagine how long you would survive in the Outside, when things *I* hold dear are constantly called the names unimaginable in a civilized society.
Do I bend out of shape over it, like you did here? I would be broken by now.
Learn to separate the objects, and your opinion on them, from your persona - it will help.
I never called anyone's opinion here kaka, and not going to, but I shall continue rendering my opinion on any film I want - so please, if you decide to stay here, train yourself to see it for what it is - an opinion on a film.
I can assure you there will be plenty of kaka, good ones, great ones, and anything in between.
In a precise and consive way. No words need to be said anymore.
I give up. Your post was prime example of condescension, presumption, and dab of inferred arrogance. Maybe it's simply your inability to convey ideas with interjecting these qualities, regardless of how well intentioned they may be. Or perhaps we're just operating on different wavelengths; Everyone's lexicon differs. I don't feel like bashing my head against the wall anymore, but I implore you to listen to those who lobbied complaints about how you treat others instead of dismissing/belittling them like you just did me.
Don't let these clowns wear you down Len.I've been there, done that with them. So many of my posts read just like yours, it's uncanny. Theses guys are arrogance personnified, the self-appointed arbiters of taste.
When I first had my wars with them, I was shocked at the e-mails I was sent by other posters telling me to "fight the good fight" here that were unwilling to say so in public.
Victor in particular is villified by MANY people around here. He's just too egotistical to see it, while his handful of lackeys lick his feet.
Do your thing.
Have fun and keep the cattle prod handy.
***while his handful of lackeys lick his feet.It is interesting that even some innocent discussions are enough to make you lose all pretense of civility and start talking like a person with no upbringing and no dignity.
Anyone who agrees with my opinions is a lackey licking my feet? Rarely one sees someone display less respect for human beings.
I think you never know what will bring out the worst in some people - things as silly as films.
It is interesting that even some innocent discussions are enough to make you lose all pretense of civility and start talking like a person with no upbringingInsulting someone by saying they talk "like a person with no upbringing" is indicative of someone who (fill in the blank). BTW, pretense of civilty?
I think you never know what will bring out the worst in some people - things as silly as films.
In all fairness, I've seen you behave pretty badly in other forums too, so it's probably just you.
> :-) The kid in my couldn't resist.
Thanks for trying to turn this film forum into yet another personal attack cesspool.
Let me get this straight. It's okay for you to call other people babies, refer to their posts as stupid, insult their upbringing, say their opinions are empty, ad naseum (I needn't go far beyond this thread to list countless more examples) .... but it's not okay for me to be critical of your behavior? Pardon me, but your rationale escapes me.If you insist I'm the exclusive abrasive party here, that's your opinion. Aside from your loyal yes-man, people seem to see it the other way around. But apparently you've crowned yourself arbiter of right and wrong, so we're all wrong according to your book. Pardon me, but your rationale escapes me once more.
I'd "fight the good fight," but it's clearly an exercise in futility.
I don't care what they may do,
I don't care what they may know,
I don't care what they may say,
Victor is just all right, oh yeah.
***Let me get this straight. It's okay for you to call other people babies, refer to their posts as stupid, insult their upbringing, say their opinions are empty, ad naseum (I needn't go far beyond this thread to list countless more examples) .... but it's not okay for me to be critical of your behavior? Pardon me, but your rationale escapes me.You are a liar, sir.
Back to watching movies.
Who is " we "?
This word in French means " Idiot ". ( debile )
Who am I who would spoke against?PS: Dmitry punish you already.
PPS: It would habe been better to be more " constructive " and just to comment on films, instead of trying to start some bad words on " some " of us....
I think Dmitry was being sarcastic, but he can correct me if I'm wrong. Since reading sarcasm isn't your strong suit, I should clarify my first post was sarcastic."It would habe been better to be more " constructive " "
Yes, because you starting this thread is soooo constructive. (sarcasm alert again) Sorry; I know that's a logical fallacy, but it was begging to be pointed out.
You missed the point, I am afraid.
--I think Dmitry was being sarcastic ...Hell yeah.
Man can't be too careful these days.
Now thatīs a good one!
In prison lingo what you're doing is called "crowding".
Not the way to go, imo.
Prison or not, Len came for a very short visit said unkind things and left.
That is what I call information and not delatation!
Great. Now I know 2 people who are never wrong!
I feel very lucky indeed.
Non non, mon vieux, if you go to the " general Forum " and scroll down you will see as Len in an very inelegant way try to bash us.
Ok, forget it, save that I have a codex and would never do what you think I have done.
But you are right it was " enfantin". ..Even if you did not mention it.
You are VERY lucky indeed.
And of course you know it.
--I love most of AA's communities, but the film forum isn't one of them.How dare Len say something so insulting!
He should be permanently banned from the Film Asylum and his remote control taken away permanently.
I may think than the remote punishment would suffice. And give him a woman to play with.
I think an acknowledgement and perhaps a humorous apology coupled with a shy hug will keep things going smooth.I hope we have room for all opinions here. Of course if that opinion is based solely on sand-bagging the opponent [i.e. I didn't see the film nor will ever see it, but I know it's crap because I'm the infallible vessel of intellect and you're not], that room shrinks to the size of a lambskin condom. Which isn't much.
Agreed?
Case close, I thought that my answer point that out.
Letīs talk about films.
***[i.e. I didn't see the film nor will ever see it, but I know it's crap because I'm the infallible vessel of intellect and you're not],Interesting. Are you saying you never presume a particular quality based on your previous experience with that maker, director, writer, composer, singer, PLUS based on seeing clips and hearing other people's opinions, ***PLUS*** reading reviews by people you respect? What if all these sources, plus your predilection and insight tell a consistent story?
Pardon me if I shall not believe that.
I don't know why you keep beeting this empty drum - seems like with your rather broad experience in many things you should be able to make quick assessments based on the information from several sources... plus that thing called experience.
For the life of me I can't figure out what does being able to judge something without directly experiencing it have to do with - as you put it: being "infallible vessel of intellect".
Would you say I should reserve my judgement on the next book by Ivan Shevtsov? Why? Because he might all of a sudden stop being a rabid anti-Semite, and suddenly learn to write? Would refusing to read that new book also make me an "infallible vessel of intellect"?
Why would you deny others the right to be able to judge the LOTR in the same way? I presume your criticism stems from that LOTR discussion. Because I don't recall any other such incident, but in the LOTR case, for instance, my reaction came from several reliable sources, my own eyes, thirty years of experience, plus my own twenty minutes of suffering - if you feel I am not qualified to call it kaka after that much, then I wil take you to my opening paragraph and to Ivan's books.
I dunno... it sounds like you are being less than open on this one.
"I don't know why you keep beeting this empty drum"Judging by the numerous complaints about your personality, it's not empty. Perhaps to you, but you aren't the only one that matters even if you think so.
Then it is as simple as switching subject... he-he... why do you keep coming back to this one?Nothing to say on films?
Ok, let's go sentence by sentence, as you like to do.
---***[i.e. I didn't see the film nor will ever see it, but I know it's crap because I'm the infallible vessel of intellect and you're not],
Interesting. Are you saying you never presume a particular quality based on your previous experience with that maker, director, writer, composer, singer, PLUS based on seeing clips and hearing other people's opinions, ***PLUS*** reading reviews by people you respect? What if all these sources, plus your predilection and insight tell a consistent story?In that case, if you're really really sure that it's going to be bad and have no desire to watch a certain film, [generic] you may as well chose 1.Some sort of an arguement pointing to your experience with a certain movie-maker/actor etc that would justify your opinion or 2.Stay away from the thread in question.
---I don't know why you keep beeting this empty drum - seems like with your rather broad experience in many things you should be able to make quick assessments based on the information from several sources... plus that thing called experience.
For the life of me I can't figure out what does being able to judge something without directly experiencing it have to do with - as you put it: being "infallible vessel of intellect".Read above.
---Would you say I should reserve my judgement on the next book by Ivan Shevtsov? Why? Because he might all of a sudden stop being a rabid anti-Semite, and suddenly learn to write? Would refusing to read that new book also make me an "infallible vessel of intellect"?
I have no clue who Shevtsov is, and he sounds like a nasty mother, but he doesn't really matter in this discussion.
---Why would you deny others the right to be able to judge the LOTR in the same way? I presume your criticism stems from that LOTR discussion. Because I don't recall any other such incident, but in the LOTR case, for instance, my reaction came from several reliable sources, my own eyes, thirty years of experience, plus my own twenty minutes of suffering - if you feel I am not qualified to call it kaka after that much, then I wil take you to my opening paragraph and to Ivan's books.
Perfect case for staying the hell away from a thread. Does not having anything positive to say about a film others praise gives a visa to crap on it? For example, I have fondness for the Groundhog Day and you don't. I don't start ripping my shirt open screaming bloody murder a-la Auph. I move on. But I think posters here would at least appreciate some solid reasoning behind the kaka labels. Some people may even perceive the dismissiveness as an insult.
---I dunno... it sounds like you are being less than open on this one.
I call this episode of my life being as truthful as I can be without being brutally honest.
I don't know if you missed mine and Anya's posts on LOTR, but given what I know and have seen about LOTR I do not see any need to stay away from the discussion. You might feel twenty minutes with that masterpiece is not enough to get the gist of its qualities, but I strongly disagree with that.In fact, the twenty minutes of suffering did not produce any observations that just reading about it, watching the clips, etc. had created. So I do not see the kaka label as anything less than well deserved here.
Ivan Shevtsov... I am pretty sure - willing to bet $100 on it - that it I just let you read a few paragraphs from that book, you would immediately declared it kaka.
And you would be right.
Why am I giving you this benefit and you are denying me the same? I dunno, but it makes little sense to me.
Because it's not about LOTR...and not about Shevtsov.I gave my opinion of the way I see this forum, its potential to be both educational and fun for participants [which number has visibly dwindled] and the possibility of it ending up as something far less interesting.
This concerns all of us who still come here.
LOTR because that is the only case where I recall any accusation of expressing opinion without watching it. I thought you made a very specific statement. Shevtsov because I don't think I got a straight answer from you on that one.But enough of that.
Forum... a film forum will become better when people will start talking about films, not attacking each others.
Attacking ALL films is fine, attacking Hollywood should be fine. Attacking movie personalities should be fine. But not attacking a person whose opinion you find contrary to yours.
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