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In Reply to: Re: LEN on the general forum said " he donīt like this one ".... posted by patrickU on March 17, 2004 at 11:05:32:
--I love most of AA's communities, but the film forum isn't one of them.How dare Len say something so insulting!
He should be permanently banned from the Film Asylum and his remote control taken away permanently.
Follow Ups:
I may think than the remote punishment would suffice. And give him a woman to play with.
I think an acknowledgement and perhaps a humorous apology coupled with a shy hug will keep things going smooth.I hope we have room for all opinions here. Of course if that opinion is based solely on sand-bagging the opponent [i.e. I didn't see the film nor will ever see it, but I know it's crap because I'm the infallible vessel of intellect and you're not], that room shrinks to the size of a lambskin condom. Which isn't much.
Agreed?
Case close, I thought that my answer point that out.
Letīs talk about films.
***[i.e. I didn't see the film nor will ever see it, but I know it's crap because I'm the infallible vessel of intellect and you're not],Interesting. Are you saying you never presume a particular quality based on your previous experience with that maker, director, writer, composer, singer, PLUS based on seeing clips and hearing other people's opinions, ***PLUS*** reading reviews by people you respect? What if all these sources, plus your predilection and insight tell a consistent story?
Pardon me if I shall not believe that.
I don't know why you keep beeting this empty drum - seems like with your rather broad experience in many things you should be able to make quick assessments based on the information from several sources... plus that thing called experience.
For the life of me I can't figure out what does being able to judge something without directly experiencing it have to do with - as you put it: being "infallible vessel of intellect".
Would you say I should reserve my judgement on the next book by Ivan Shevtsov? Why? Because he might all of a sudden stop being a rabid anti-Semite, and suddenly learn to write? Would refusing to read that new book also make me an "infallible vessel of intellect"?
Why would you deny others the right to be able to judge the LOTR in the same way? I presume your criticism stems from that LOTR discussion. Because I don't recall any other such incident, but in the LOTR case, for instance, my reaction came from several reliable sources, my own eyes, thirty years of experience, plus my own twenty minutes of suffering - if you feel I am not qualified to call it kaka after that much, then I wil take you to my opening paragraph and to Ivan's books.
I dunno... it sounds like you are being less than open on this one.
"I don't know why you keep beeting this empty drum"Judging by the numerous complaints about your personality, it's not empty. Perhaps to you, but you aren't the only one that matters even if you think so.
Then it is as simple as switching subject... he-he... why do you keep coming back to this one?Nothing to say on films?
Ok, let's go sentence by sentence, as you like to do.
---***[i.e. I didn't see the film nor will ever see it, but I know it's crap because I'm the infallible vessel of intellect and you're not],
Interesting. Are you saying you never presume a particular quality based on your previous experience with that maker, director, writer, composer, singer, PLUS based on seeing clips and hearing other people's opinions, ***PLUS*** reading reviews by people you respect? What if all these sources, plus your predilection and insight tell a consistent story?In that case, if you're really really sure that it's going to be bad and have no desire to watch a certain film, [generic] you may as well chose 1.Some sort of an arguement pointing to your experience with a certain movie-maker/actor etc that would justify your opinion or 2.Stay away from the thread in question.
---I don't know why you keep beeting this empty drum - seems like with your rather broad experience in many things you should be able to make quick assessments based on the information from several sources... plus that thing called experience.
For the life of me I can't figure out what does being able to judge something without directly experiencing it have to do with - as you put it: being "infallible vessel of intellect".Read above.
---Would you say I should reserve my judgement on the next book by Ivan Shevtsov? Why? Because he might all of a sudden stop being a rabid anti-Semite, and suddenly learn to write? Would refusing to read that new book also make me an "infallible vessel of intellect"?
I have no clue who Shevtsov is, and he sounds like a nasty mother, but he doesn't really matter in this discussion.
---Why would you deny others the right to be able to judge the LOTR in the same way? I presume your criticism stems from that LOTR discussion. Because I don't recall any other such incident, but in the LOTR case, for instance, my reaction came from several reliable sources, my own eyes, thirty years of experience, plus my own twenty minutes of suffering - if you feel I am not qualified to call it kaka after that much, then I wil take you to my opening paragraph and to Ivan's books.
Perfect case for staying the hell away from a thread. Does not having anything positive to say about a film others praise gives a visa to crap on it? For example, I have fondness for the Groundhog Day and you don't. I don't start ripping my shirt open screaming bloody murder a-la Auph. I move on. But I think posters here would at least appreciate some solid reasoning behind the kaka labels. Some people may even perceive the dismissiveness as an insult.
---I dunno... it sounds like you are being less than open on this one.
I call this episode of my life being as truthful as I can be without being brutally honest.
I don't know if you missed mine and Anya's posts on LOTR, but given what I know and have seen about LOTR I do not see any need to stay away from the discussion. You might feel twenty minutes with that masterpiece is not enough to get the gist of its qualities, but I strongly disagree with that.In fact, the twenty minutes of suffering did not produce any observations that just reading about it, watching the clips, etc. had created. So I do not see the kaka label as anything less than well deserved here.
Ivan Shevtsov... I am pretty sure - willing to bet $100 on it - that it I just let you read a few paragraphs from that book, you would immediately declared it kaka.
And you would be right.
Why am I giving you this benefit and you are denying me the same? I dunno, but it makes little sense to me.
Because it's not about LOTR...and not about Shevtsov.I gave my opinion of the way I see this forum, its potential to be both educational and fun for participants [which number has visibly dwindled] and the possibility of it ending up as something far less interesting.
This concerns all of us who still come here.
LOTR because that is the only case where I recall any accusation of expressing opinion without watching it. I thought you made a very specific statement. Shevtsov because I don't think I got a straight answer from you on that one.But enough of that.
Forum... a film forum will become better when people will start talking about films, not attacking each others.
Attacking ALL films is fine, attacking Hollywood should be fine. Attacking movie personalities should be fine. But not attacking a person whose opinion you find contrary to yours.
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