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In Reply to: How is the Mirror doing, Patrick? Plus - Russian Ark... again... posted by Victor Khomenko on March 18, 2004 at 05:50:45:
Sokurov's problem [read- the movie-goers problem] is that he presents himself as some sort of an intellectual, and he really is not.
Both him and Tarkovsky, his idol, also suffered from the lack of good editing, imo. 3-hour films that well could've been 1.5 hours long[Sacrifice] and retain the meaning, and Sokurov's 90-minute Mother that should've been a 15 minute long film school graduation project.
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I forgot - did you see the Ark? What was your impression?Note, however, this post was not as much about Sokurov and his movie - it was more about the recollections, the sense of fusion, the effect of "being there". I didn't think the film had strong leg to stand on all by itself, but in my case the combination of the film and visiting the setting had a profound effect.
I don't know if Tark was his idol, but I would venture to say Sokurov's work is greatly separated from the better Tarkovsky's films - I think he wanted to create a recognizable style... and he did... except that style is pretentious and irritating... different for the difference sake.
--I forgot - did you see the Ark? What was your impression?I turned off the sound 10 minutes into it because the dialogue became unbearable to me, and finished watching it to the accompaniment of some piano music, save for the last scene in the grand ball-room.
--I don't know if Tark was his idol...
It's well-documented.
My take - No Tarkovsky -- No Sokurov.
Just watching the movie - I agree with you... hence my previous nasty reaction to it. A kaka rating, for sure.But I kept remembering clark's comment that to most people here that film would be their only chance to see the incredibly, unbound beauty of the great place - and alone made the admission worth its price.
No, I don't see Tark and Sokurov on the same plane... idol maybe, so what? Beethoven may by my idol - but what does it say about MY piano concertos?
--No, I don't see Tark and Sokurov on the same plane...... idol maybe, so what?I didn't say they were on the same plane. I said that some Tarkovsky and most Sokurov films suffer from insufficient editing.
Well, that is such a subjective thing - I would not argue about it.Tark's are longish, true, but I have to tell you I enjoyed the slow, deliberate flow of Solaris, every minute of it, and I was sorry when it was over. Stalker is a different matter, there I was totally restless. So perhaps a blanket comment is not the right thing to do.
Sacrifice didn't strike me as too long either. Too homage to the point of bordering on derivative - yes, but long? Not to me.
But I can understand why one might feel that way - they are not average films.
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