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In Reply to: The Dreamers posted by rhizomatic on March 18, 2004 at 13:28:34:
surpass, "Last Tango in Paris," The Last Emperor," and "The Conformist?"
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Forgot that was Bertolucci.OK, let's see,
the aforemention 8 1/2, and pretty much anything by Fellini...
Masculin Feminin, and pretty much anything Godard did in the sixties...
The Exterminating Angel, and pretty much anything by Bunuel...
are all, in my opinion, better films than those three.
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has its overblown moments: it degerates into self-conscious parody. Pierrot Le Fou, a very good film at the time...well, watch it and see: it seems...OLD.
Bunuel: no argument there. A major artist, of Bernardo's caliber, for sure. But of an earlier era: BB rules from 70s on, along with SK. You aren't going to try and defend the later, ridiculously over-the-top satires of Bunuel's senilescence, I hope?
The quality of something being 'dated' really is in the eye of the beholder, so I'm not sure I can offer much evidence to the contrary, beyond my disagreement. 'Pierrot le Fou' is probably my favorite Godard movie, with my favorite ending in film history.I think Godard's films are as close to timeless as films get.
Where do Bunuel's "ridiculously over-the-top satires" begin for you?
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Stranger than that, we're alive!Whatever you think it's more than that, more than that.
-Incredible String Band
It's been YEARS since I've seen that, and I don't remember it very well at all. I'll have to try to rent it soon.Have you seen Godard's contribution to that "Aria" movie? It is HILARIOUS.
Jeffery
...Band of Oursiders... and your argument goes out of the window.I don't think Godard is "dated" - he carries the signature of his time, but dated? Hardly.
...IMHO, is "Contempt," which doesn't seem dated at all.Where, exactly, does "Breathless" degenerate into self-conscious parody? And even if it does, how does that make it "dated"?
Jeffery
We discussed Bertolucci short time ago, and I would agree with this post of yours, except I think the Conformista deserves a better fighting chance - the other two are more cult films than ones of real significance.But the REAL reason tin mentioned the Conformista has nothing to do with Bertolucci - is that he has hots for Sanda... we all know that.
But you are right - it is easy to better Bertolucci.
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