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Agreed. Adaptation was pissed away in the last 15 minutes . . .

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In Reply to: Matchstick Men works; Adaptation doesn't, IMHO. posted by Audiophilander on March 21, 2004 at 08:57:20:

Gun play and charging alligators did not fit the flow. What got into CK? Has he ever been questioned on that by a brave interviewer?

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Did you watch the beginning? - sjb 16:40:24 03/21/04 (8)
Where he swears that the movie won't have any guns or drugs or car chases or characters that grow or change or learn imortant life lessons. And then towards the end when the screenwriter seminar guy says that you have to wow 'em in the end but don't you dare resort to "deus ex machina." to wrap things up.
The whole point is that CK's making fun of himself for agreeing to adapt the Orchid Thief (he really did try a straight adaptation before it became what it was) and struggling to find a way to make something out of it.
He's also making big fun of hollywood and the typical studio exec's need to have certain elements be in a film no matter what. And, he's making fun of how often something miraculous happens (the alligator killing Larouche) to save the day/wrap up the story.
I can understand people not liking the movie but it always surprises me when people don't get it.
- Exactly! - LesF 15:38:40 03/22/04 (0)
  The movie turns into the very formulaic, shallow, improbable, gory, Hollywood action-thriller that Kaufman rails against all through the movie, as soon as he starts taking advice from his twin brother (his alter ego), and reaches for Success instead of Art. As Kaufman sells out, so does the story! It's brilliant!
- Re: Did you watch the beginning? - rico 08:04:37 03/22/04 (0)
  Also the mentor absolutely forbids voice over narrative and that takes place during the entire film.
- Yeah, but if Bruce Willis, Tommy Lee, and Julia Roberts . . . - albee33 18:36:39 03/21/04 (0)
  had been playing the leads I would have paid more attention. My mind shut down near the middle of the movie--I was along for the ride only.
  I'm not alone, though!
- Very well put - Troy 17:22:01 03/21/04 (4)
  I'm also always amused when people don't "get" the end of this movie.
  It's a great satire of the Hollywood system.
  - The best satire on the Hollywood system wasn't a movie, it was the short-lived TV series Action! - Audiophilander 17:42:40 03/21/04 (3)
    Next to that, I prefer the wit and charm of Shakespeare in Love with it's ingenius modern playwrite allegory. As for Adaptation, it wasn't a matter of "getting it" for me, but rather caring enough about the characters to appreciate what I was getting out of the movie.
    AuPh
    - No, it was "The Player" - Troy 18:29:36 03/21/04 (2)
      The best satire of the Hollywood system is probably "The Player". I have a soft spot for "The Big Picture" too.
      "Adaptation" worked for me. It's overlapping reality / fantasy elements made for a difficult story to follow and thus connect with the characters. I like the movie more for it's plot machinations and clever continuity devices than it's character development. The story was just too cynical to really let you like any of the characters. I suppose it's the same thing as saying you love "Blade Runner" because the sets and art direction are so cool, even if the the other elements of it are flawed, see?
      I could also not see this being a good movie to see in a group of friends at home because there is more likelihood of losing continuity with even a momentary lapse of concentration.
      - Hey, I'd almost forgotten about The Player! You're right, it's an excellent satire on Hollywood! (nt) - Audiophilander 22:51:58 03/21/04 (1)
        
        In Reply to: No, it was "The Player" posted by Troy on March 21, 2004 at 18:29:36:
        
        :o)
        
        Re: Hey, I'd almost forgotten about The Player! You're right, it's an excellent satire on Hollywood! (nt) - rico 08:08:22 03/22/04 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Hey, I'd almost forgotten about The Player! You're right, it's an excellent satire on Hollywood! (nt) posted by Audiophilander on March 21, 2004 at 22:51:58:
        
        Coincidentally I watched "The Player" last night and was going to post something about it today. It is probably the best satire on Hollywood ever done, especially the prison film sequence at the end. And don't forget the over the top nine minute tracking sequence at the beginning. As always, I enjoyed every moment. Altman has had the most ups and downs of anyone in movies.
Re: Agreed. Adaptation was pissed away in the last 15 minutes . . . - rico 10:05:24 03/21/04 (4)
IMHO the last 15 minutes is the whole point of the film.
- You mean I could've saved an hour and a half and just watched the last 15 minutes!? (nt) - Audiophilander 11:15:58 03/21/04 (3)
  ;^)
  - Re: You mean I could've saved an hour and a half and just watched the last 15 minutes!? (nt) - rico 13:50:48 03/21/04 (2)
    No, you need to see the whole thing, which leads to the last 15 minutes.
    - I did, unfortunately; that's my point. - Audiophilander 15:08:18 03/21/04 (1)
      Sorry, I realize that many folks really like this film, but like our experience with Kaufman's most recent script (ESoTSM) it did very little for my wife and I and most other folks who saw Adaptation at a film party last year. Note: Friends were requested to bring over one or two films they really liked and if it hadn't been seen by the majority of folks present we'd vote and then project it on our 6' screen with our then-new DLP projector. One person brought Adaptation; since no one had yet seen it we selected it for our first screening. As it turned out, the fellow who brought it ended up being one of the few among 15 or so folks who enjoyed this film in spite of several fine performances by cast members.
      AuPh
      - Adaptation ending - PdL 04:40:05 03/22/04 (0)
        
        In Reply to: I did, unfortunately; that's my point. posted by Audiophilander on March 21, 2004 at 15:08:18:
        
        I did get that the movie was a spoof on big budget, cookie cuter Hollywood films. I think my prob with the ending of Adaptation was that I was exhausted by that point. During the film, Kaufman got caught up in in being clever to the point where it became it became a distraction. By the time the ending came around, I already had more than enough of his "insights" on Hollywood. Adaptation seemed to be less about entertaining than about Kaufman exercizing his ego. I'm all for a little less "Hollywood entertainment" at the expense of content, but in this case I thought it was overkill..............
        Paul

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