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In Reply to: Tough times for sci fi fans... posted by Joe S on April 18, 2000 at 19:25:06:
Lucas shot the arm in the 70s which started Star Trek movies & TV spin-offs.Lately, we had "Matrix" "Lost in Space"
And, in between we had T2 & Total Recall
Heh, heh.I remeber how disappointed I was by the Abyss - Cameron simply got lost in the second act and the movie ground completely to a halt. I did like the ending of the directors cut more than the theatrical release and felt that improved the movie quite a bit. But still, a flawed film...
joe
...you'd gone "Lucas" on me and gotten lazy. I should'a known better ;-)joe
... "thinking again. It really isn't your strong suite now is it?"- Lost In Space
I must admit I did like the first two Alien flicks. The original was a bit more brooding certainly and at the time the stalk 'em till their gone genre hadnt really taken off in sci fi - in fact this movie kicked that whole cycle off. Aliens was a differnt but still interesting kettle of fish - I remeber never being so overwhelmingly on edge at the prospect of what would happen next in a sci fi film before or since.Of the four films you mentioned I have to rate the Matrix highest and confess I liked it. I suspect that response is as much of one of context as much as anything - it hasnt had much competition lately and seemed pretty good in comparison...
joe
hi,
Contact put science in ze science fiction; it is perhaps the closest to real scifi of any movie ever made. As someone who has
an interst in such, the last few years, with Contact/Matrix/ST:First Contact have been a real treat. 2001 came out, several years later Star Wars was released. Not much in between, now is better.
***Contact is perhaps the closest to real scifi of any movie ever made***As much as I enjoyed Contact, my vote would be for Andromeda Strain as #1 for true science.
but...
space is what fires my imagination.
If you have an LD player, check out the Cosmos series (sadly long OOP).
Some of the sections speculating on what life might conceivably be like on Mars or planets outside our solar system are fascinating. Highest recommendation.
hi,
i vaguely remember that; he wrote Contact as well.
nt
what a hoot!
funniest scifi i ever saw.
Jodie Foster made it into another "Black Hole" where there was more fiction than science. Are we talking about the same film?
BTW, am I the only one who went nuts when the ½ human alien was the 1st Vulcan to visit the Earth? I guess his mom was an astronaut from a doomed mission Sarak rescued.
Mart, I don't think we disagree so much as mis-communicate with one another.***Jodie Foster made it into another "Black Hole" where there was more fiction than science. Are we talking about the same film?***
Erm.... what other SF film was Jodie Foster in besides Contact? The female lead in Black Hole was Yvette Mimeux.
***Am I the only one who went nuts when the * human alien was the 1st Vulcan to visit the Earth? I guess his mom was an astronaut from a doomed mission Sarak rescued?***What the h-e-double-toothpicks are you talking about? What "doomed mission that Sarek rescued?" And what is a "* human alien"?
Your in total confusion,
Scott
I was referring to Jodie's performance which made "Contact" as believable as Disney's attempt at Sci-Fi.
The other subject was "ST:1st Contact". The end has a young Spok coming out to make 1st contact with Earth. Spok who's half human. Where did he get the half when nobody else had met with a human. I was merely trying to explain the contradiction.
I don't think that was a young Spock - just some unknown Vulcan on his way back from carpal tunnel surgery (very painful doing that "V" hand thing).Anyway it's just a silly movie so no penalty on that one.
Now back to your homework young man!
Jodie Foster thinking even for the briefest of moments than her deceased father can be resurrected by traveling through enough worm holes? Some scientist. Remminds me of Spok's brother trying to find heaven by penetrating a spacial barrier. Is theology this dead that nobody is capable of reasonable thought along these lines? Granted, Hollywood is the last place that one would expect an accurate depiction. They still think that the miraculous sign of Christ's birn was that a young woman was going to give birth, or the slaughter of the scripture in "End of Days". However, I'm not even talking accepted religions. I'm referring to applying any thought at all to the subject. The story lines have become laughable.
you see,
ST has always been sort of open ended. They even poked fun,
in DS9, about the radical change of appearance of Klingons; from the original series to TNG. Worf himself has had a couple of... well... makeovers?
It does not pay to sweat the details in ST. Some poor fool
actually wrote a book with a title like 'Nitpickers guide to Star trek' I glanced at it, and noticed he got dozens of routine errors;
but missed a roughly equal number of scientific screw ups. No matter,
it is space opera, the miracle is that Rodenberry was able to breathe life into TNG.
couple of my favorites
the Klingon (sp?) Bird of Prey going warp speed in the atmosphere & expecting to return to a populated Earth back in the futureSpok telling the bridge that his ancestor stipulated that when one eliminates the impossible, what remains, no matter how improbable must be the truth. He's a descendent of the fictional Sherlock Holmes character?
my friend's
during the original series Kirk asked for a magnification of the main viewer of 1 1,000,000 . I'm sure that the script probably called for 1:1,000,000 but never the less it was humorous.my brother's
Spok's unpowered torpedo tube soft landed on the Genesis planet w/o so much as to kill the microbes on it.BTW, I love that tribble "DS9" episode & I want a hard copy of it!!! I've been looking. I bought the Daulphin & Lull from "TNG".
In the Next Gen series a character is being chased by an alien through the Enterprise. They have been shifted into a slighly different dimension where they occupy the same space as the ship but can pass through physical objects as if ghosts since they have no actual physical contact with the vessel. The alien is about to catch the crewman when the crewman dives to the floor and the alien overshoots and runs through the outer wall of the ship to die in the vacuum of space.So how the hell could they run in a ship they cant have physical contact with? What were their feet pushing against? And how could the creman dive onto the floor itself and stop his momentum when he passed through walls like a hot knife through butter?
Rules for viewers of sci fi on TV: Switch off brain. Suspend critical thought. Go with the flow. Otherwise - change channels. ;-)
joe
the movie not the identity. When the meteror crashes through the hull of the ship like it were crystal & decides to roll down the passageway instead of continuing through with its enormous momentum.
One thing I've never been able to find out is why they killed off Lt. Yar in the first season.I had the same thoughts regarding that episode where they change phase. They were magically monitoring "unusual radiation" patterns on the ship and figured out they had to flood 10-forward with the radiation to bring back their crewmates.
Tom §.
the Romulan caught up with her, and Geordi came running thru the wall
and sideblocked him, the Romulan then sailed into space. In the same episode, time fractures into a bunch of itty bitty pieces, a mommy lays her eggs in a singularity (black hole); and Geordi with a basic repair kit whips up a little shoulder mounted device that can alter space/time. Oh sure.
Reality, what a concept. PLEASE don't ask me why i love that show; but it would be hard to deny, when you consider i can *also* quote ypu some of the dialogue! "If it will teach Ro Laren humility, who knows what it can do" Sigh, my name is Late, and i am a trekkie, and it has been one day since i saw a show....
yup,
it's one of my favorite films. Real scifi is about how we might react to a change in the future. Usually it's about technology. But!
One of the least understood aspects about it is just how transformative this can be. I have read entire nonfiction books about
SETI.
So for me, i can't believe Hollwood made a real scifi movie; but i am grateful.
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