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In Reply to: The Bambi B Lifetime Annoyance Awards posted by Bambi B on May 20, 2004 at 00:06:26:
Brad Pitt always the same character? When?
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Analog Scott,I meant to grade the awards a bit more precisely as to degree as some on the list are of course not so terrible and everyone on the list has done something(s) interesting or well.
And Brad pitt is not high on the annoynace factor.
But, I think there are sme actors that seem to always generate the same kind of energy regardless of the role. This is some kind of core personality that shows through in every part. I think Steve McQueen Jimmy Stewart, and Katherine Hepburn are other examples- and these poeple did amazin things within their limitations.
But, if this constant inner personality has any kind of negative to it, it certainly grates on me. This is the largely the same aspect that placed Cruise and Costner too, though they are in another category entirely from Pitt.
Lack of range is not necessarily bad for the career as it sets a signature style and if attractive can carry a career a long way.
Regarding Pitt, while I've enjoyed him sometimes- "Fight Club" for example, but I was more annoyed by "Seven Years in Tibet" and "Spy Game" and his character in "Ocean's Eleven" was just dull. Fortunately Julia Roberts was there and made Pitt's character a bit brighter by comparison.
The bad ones can tip the scales- as can over-exposure and any hints of cooler-than-thou. I am far from achieving coolosity but I can spot a poser from the distance betwen me and the movie screen. I'm moving towards the Will Smith and Eddie Murphy effect here.
Pitt, to me, is only satisying when he appears in well written roles that already suit his persona. Selecting peoper roles by actors is so critical. Mel Gibson, certainly in a lower circle of Hell than Pitt, also suffers from the mono-personality and Hamlet for example was a gross miscalulation in this way.
But, I'm always open and I would appreciate recommendations for Pitt's in a differnt range of character.
Cheers,
Bambi B
Interesting, I haven't seen any the movies you cited as examples of Brad Pitt's short comings. Maybe I am just missing the worst he has to offer. I think between Seven, True Romance ( all be it a small role), Legends of the fall, and The Mexican just to name some of his movies, one can find both a substantial range in his characters and substantial depth in those characters. I did see Troy and I did not like the movie or him in it. I'm not sure there was much he could have done to remedy that. The script was simply devoid of any humanity. He fought well. I think this was his focus and the focus of trhe film makers. To bad though. Jackie Chan already is light years ahead of them.It's too bad about Costner. He showed potential early in his career. His self absorbtion is all too painfully evident in everything he has done since No Way Out.
Tom Cruise. I think his celebraty status often makes people overlook his achievements. He has been quite good a number of times. Risky Business, Taps, Rainman, Born on the fourth of July, Jerry Maguire, The color of Money.
Not only that, but the same old bore.
You know the difference between a good actor and the one, bad, with a good script?
Most people can not see the difference.
Well, you could always try to just answer the question. You could also tell us what was bad about Brad pitt's acting in any of the following movies. Legends of the Fall, True Romance, The Mexican, 12 Monkeys or Seven. The characters he played in each of those movies were dinstictly different. Feel free to tell us what was objectively bad about any of those performances. You may not like his performances or him but that doesn't make for any universal truth about Brad Pitt or the art and craft of acting.
Did I say that MY opinion is universal truth? It is just AN opinion.
Maybe we are having a language issue that I was missing but you said this..."You know the difference between a good actor and the one, bad, with a good script?
Most people can not see the difference."Your reference to "good" and "bad" along with the allusion to "most people" and their inabilities to tell the difference does, to me, imply a claim over and above a personal opinion. There are objective measures of good and bad in any craft. Your post seemed to be addressing such a measure. I only wanted to discuss the merits as it pertains to Brad Pitt.
I was making an allusion in general and for Mr. Pitt. In art there is a subjective measure, made of experience and understanding.
But I am not certain I get your point.
"I was making an allusion in general and for Mr. Pitt."Yes and I was trying to discuss your assertion as it pertains to Brad Pitt. It seems you are not itnerested in discussing it.
"In art there is a subjective measure, made of experience and understanding."
Yes, there are elements to art that are subjective and elements that are objective. When one talks about likes and dislikes it is fair to presume one is talking about the subjective elements. When one talks about good and bad it is fair to assume one is discussing the objctive elements. You talked about "good actors" and "bad actors." They do exist objectively and that was what I was trying to discuss as it pertains to Brad Pitt.
"But I am not certain I get your point."Hopefully I have clarified it.
Of course I am always willing to discuss! But on the subject of Mr. Pitt, I would be push hard to have to say anything, as there not much to be said of.
He just is a marketing product. For me.
If you are willing to discuss then let's start with the roles he played in the movies I already mentioned. 12 Monkeys, Legends of the Fall, Seven, and True Romance. I have said that those movies show a substantial range in his characters and depth as well. Disagree? If so why?
This is a discussion Forum, so ... 12 Monkeys..Did he play in? I can only remember Bruce Willis in it...Legends of the fall? Oh yes vaguely, actually I saw it one time and a half, first I thought nice film, but then so idealised that I fall into a deep sleep, Ah yes Brad! Nice next door boy, but he ainīt no Robert Redford, even he try hard in this film.
Legends of the Fall....The same.
Seven. Too brutal and from the " Silence of the Lamb " vein.
True Romance? I remember ...But was it not Slater?
So, I hope you can take adose of irony, but the truth simmer behind this, of what I really think, you may not be happy with it, but to explain what I feel about him, I canīt do any better....and this is still ironic.
"This is a discussion Forum, so ... 12 Monkeys..Did he play in? I can only remember Bruce Willis in it...Legends of the fall? Oh yes vaguely, actually I saw it one time and a half, first I thought nice film, but then so idealised that I fall into a deep sleep, Ah yes Brad! Nice next door boy, but he ainīt no Robert Redford, even he try hard in this film."Funny, Robert Redford seemed to have nice things to say about him after directing him in A River runs through it. If we are going to discuss his performances you are going to have to pay attention to the movies when you watch them.
"Legends of the Fall....The same."The same what? Are you comparing his performance in Legends of the Fall to his performance in Legends of the Fall? I agree they were very similar.
"Seven. Too brutal and from the " Silence of the Lamb " vein."What does that have to do with the depth and range of his characters?
"True Romance? I remember ...But was it not Slater?"I guess you don't remember. Again, if we are going to discuss an actor's range and depth you are going to have to pay more attention to the movies you watch.
"So, I hope you can take adose of irony, but the truth simmer behind this, of what I really think, you may not be happy with it, but to explain what I feel about him, I canīt do any better....and this is still ironic."Your post was wet with irony. I can take it but it was a discussion I sought and it was a discussion you claimed you could participate in. Oh well.
I never said that he was not a nice guy, but a great actor he is not.
It was ironical of course! ( I watch the film I see.....)
Nothing to do. But Depth? None...But it was a nice thriller, I wonder how it would stand today, I do not think too good.
Donīt worry we will find something to discuss really.
"Donīt worry we will find something to discuss really."I tried many times now with no luck. I have my doubts.
at this forum, unless, of course, Universal Studios is involved. -AH
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