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• yes if someone makes a movie, paint, writes a book, etc.... - Ruben 08:16:33 05/25/04 (11)
  In Reply to: "Movies like the ones Mr. Moore are definelely art becauses..." posted by Victor Khomenko on May 24, 2004 at 17:23:55:

  the issues are just the beginning. The artist does something with the idea. It transform the idea into something that provokes discussion. Hey, the people of Cannes decided that the movie was worthed because it did just that. Povoked a lot of talk.....

  
  Ruben

  San Francisco, California
  
  

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  • Re: yes if someone makes a movie, paint, writes a book, etc.... - Victor Khomenko 08:20:25 05/25/04 (10)
    In Reply to: yes if someone makes a movie, paint, writes a book, etc.... posted by Ruben on May 25, 2004 at 08:16:33:

    It is hard for us to get into the heads of the jury members to know exactly what made them do it.

    Perhaps they simply loved it from the artistic standpoint - who knows? But all this is suspect today - when in the hightly charged anti-American atmosphere the movie with apparently strong anti-American tones scores high one has to wonder.

    As we know, some European minds are not exactly sympathetic to the US.
    

    
    
    
    

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    • Re: yes if someone makes a movie, paint, writes a book, etc.... - Analog Scott 17:40:31 05/25/04 (0)
      In Reply to: Re: yes if someone makes a movie, paint, writes a book, etc.... posted by Victor Khomenko on May 25, 2004 at 08:20:25:

      "It is hard for us to get into the heads of the jury members to know exactly what made them do it.
      Perhaps they simply loved it from the artistic standpoint - who knows? But all this is suspect today - when in the hightly charged anti-American atmosphere the movie with apparently strong anti-American tones scores high one has to wonder.

      As we know, some European minds are not exactly sympathetic to the US."

      Anti-American? What makes you think this movie or the film maker is anti-American? He claims to be quite the opposite. I have never seen him say down with America. The movie is about Bush and his family and the Bin Ladens. There is certainly more to America than Bush. One is not anti-American just because one is critical of Bush.

      
      
      
      

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    • Re: yes if someone makes a movie, paint, writes a book, etc.... - patrickU 10:22:29 05/25/04 (0)
      In Reply to: Re: yes if someone makes a movie, paint, writes a book, etc.... posted by Victor Khomenko on May 25, 2004 at 08:20:25:

      Who is not anti -American Now in Europe ? Of course only IF America equals Mr. Bush...Or Mr. Or Mr..... We are very condescent here in Europe...
      Actuall and factually the last US president must have been Mr. Kennedy.

      
      
      

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    • how about the silly americans than stop calling french fries.... - Ruben 08:29:17 05/25/04 (7)
      In Reply to: Re: yes if someone makes a movie, paint, writes a book, etc.... posted by Victor Khomenko on May 25, 2004 at 08:20:25:

      I was in Paris in September 11. That was my first day in my French vacation. I stayed for a whole month in France. People stoped me in the street to show me their feelings for what happened in 9/11. On 9/13 I was amazed at the moment of silence that the entire country did for the victims of 9/11. I think our president destroy all that good will by acting like a roman emperor after 9/11. Did not care about any other opinions. They were going to do what they wanted to do whether other nations like it or not..

      My initial coments about the fries happened at the US congress, tell me about being silly. Our congress............ silly for voting to use billions of dollars for Irak while the schools and health clinics in our country are falling apart.............

      
      
      Ruben

      San Francisco, California
      
      

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      • Re: how about the silly americans than stop calling french fries.... - Victor Khomenko 08:43:52 05/25/04 (6)
        In Reply to: how about the silly americans than stop calling french fries.... posted by Ruben on May 25, 2004 at 08:29:17:

        Those all would have some validity if we were discussing some French movie and its score during the Oscars, or some geo-political issues... as it is, this thread was about Moore's film, so perhaps we should stick with it.

        What I said was that its score was tainted by the current political climate.
        

        
        
        
        

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        • Re: French Fries - rico 10:08:44 05/25/04 (0)
          In Reply to: Re: how about the silly americans than stop calling french fries.... posted by Victor Khomenko on May 25, 2004 at 08:43:52:

          One of my favorite (of many) lines in "Breaking Away" is when the father is complaining about his son's attraction to all things Italian. The father says, "It's all this ' I-TI ini' food, zuchini, fettechini, I want some AMERICAN food. I want FRENCH FRIES!"
          
          

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        • I read . . . - Troy 08:59:55 05/25/04 (3)
          In Reply to: Re: how about the silly americans than stop calling french fries.... posted by Victor Khomenko on May 25, 2004 at 08:43:52:

          . . . that 4 of the jurors at Cannes were Americans too . . .
          
          

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          • How does that matter? - Victor Khomenko 09:21:52 05/25/04 (2)
            In Reply to: I read . . . posted by Troy on May 25, 2004 at 08:59:55:

            It doesn't. Unless you don't know that many simply hate the current administration... and I mean hate, not dislike. And hatred is blinding.
            

            
            
            
            

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            • I mentioned it because . . . - Troy 11:05:30 05/25/04 (1)
              In Reply to: How does that matter? posted by Victor Khomenko on May 25, 2004 at 09:21:52:

              . . . . it's easy to say that Cannes has a French and Euro bias. But when half the judges are Americans, that bias goes out the window.

              Maybe it's just a good movie?

              But again YOU'RE already making judgements about it, aren't you?
              
              

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              • Re: I mentioned it because . . . - patrickU 13:31:29 05/25/04 (0)
                In Reply to: I mentioned it because . . . posted by Troy on May 25, 2004 at 11:05:30:

                Well that half of the judges are US citizen that do not mean anything. The fact is that the actual govenement of the USA stirs a lot of heat and hate everywhere. There may l lay the reponse.
                
                

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        • don't you love the discussion?......... nt - Ruben 08:46:15 05/25/04 (0)
          In Reply to: Re: how about the silly americans than stop calling french fries.... posted by Victor Khomenko on May 25, 2004 at 08:43:52:

          nt
          Ruben

          San Francisco, California
          
          

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