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In Reply to: Oh, yeah? posted by Victor Khomenko on May 26, 2004 at 06:15:31:
I said
***it's just not easy to get the attention Moore has by making documentaries, which, itself isn't easy to get funded.
Victor saidOh, yeah?
Yeah.Victor said
Apparently Hollywood is on the mission today - the mission of destroying Bush.Apparently you still suffer from the delusion that "Hollywood" is some single minded entity with an agenda.
Victor said
Apparently there is wave of anti-Bush (anti-conservative) films coming out...
What would that be, Van Helsing, Spiderman II and The Village?
" apparently there are also a few decidedly pro-Kerry films..."Such as? And please provide some support that whatever films you cite,if you cite any, are actually pro Kerry films. Tyr to remeber the time involved in taking a film from pitch to screen, if you have any idea what I am talking about.
Victor said
" so tell us more about how hard it is to get such funding - it is music to our ears."I have some second hand experience on this. A very good friend of mine has been involved in the productions of several documentaries. It is very difficult to fund them because it is very difficult to genrate any money from them. Many are funded by grants, There are usually hoops to jump through for grants. It can be a nightmare and it can take several years just to fund some documentaries.
Victor said
Sheesh...
Yeah, You spew so much opinion from so little actual knowledge about film making.Sheeeeeesh......
Follow Ups:
***Apparently you still suffer from the delusion that "Hollywood" is some single minded entity with an agenda.Cheap red herring. First - only a fool would deny that Hollywood is largely liberal.
Second - it doesn't take the whole Hollywood to perform a mission, only a few determined individuals with lots of money.
You are not suggesting there are no rabbid liberals with tons of money in Hollywood... that would be too much even for you.
Next you are gonna play us for complete idiots and suggest it is just as hard to get financing for a liberal viewpoint "documentary" as for a conservative one.
Sheesh indeed.
I said to Victor
***Apparently you still suffer from the delusion that "Hollywood" is some single minded entity with an agenda.
Victor said
Cheap red herring.Hardly. I guess you already forgot the content of your own post. Here is what you said... "Oh, yeah? Apparently Hollywood is on the mission today - the mission of destroying Bush."
Victor said
First - only a fool would deny that Hollywood is largely liberal.Hollywood is a large piece of real estate. Film makers are as diverse in their political beliefs as any other large group of the general population. Of course you ignore this diversity in your claim that "Hollywood" is out to get Bush. Your charge was naive and painfully simplistic. Only a fool would charge an entire industry with a singular mind.
Victor said
Second - it doesn't take the whole Hollywood to perform a mission, only a few determined individuals with lots of money.Fine. But you said "Hollywood" is out to get Bush. Your mistake , not mine. If you wish to talk about specific film makers that are out to get Bush go ahead. Cite them and discuss the situation. Your whinning about a "Hollywood" agenda here is just laughable though.
Victor said
You are not suggesting there are no rabbid liberals with tons of money in Hollywood... that would be too much even for you.
No I am not suggesting any such thing. I suggest you actually read my posts before reading things into them.
Victor said
Next you are gonna play us for complete idiots and suggest it is just as hard to get financing for a liberal viewpoint "documentary" as for a conservative one.
Prove it isn't.I see no list of anti-Bush pro Kerry movies that you claim are comming out. Figures.
I went mentally back to your "arguments" and nearly chocked on my pizza from laughing.You said:
"Hollywood is a large piece of real estate. Film makers are as diverse in their political beliefs as any other large group of the general population. Of course you ignore this diversity in your claim that "Hollywood" is out to get Bush. Your charge was naive and painfully simplistic. Only a fool would charge an entire industry with a singular mind."
I guess I will have to agree with you that it IS a piece of real estate - so chalk one point for your wisdom.
Next statement is... is... ignorant? Idiotic? Whatever. Everyone knows it is heavily liberal... could it be everyone but you?
A simplistic notion of Hollywood?
I can see Scott opening the morning paper and seeing the headline:
"Japan to increase its steel production by 10%"
Scott drops his toast in indignation. "Why - he yells - Japan is one large piece of real estate!" he proclaims!
"Their people are diverse! How could you say "Japan" when there very well may be a housewife in Yamatzuki that has nothing to do with the steel production increase! In addition there's also a still mill in Osaka that will be closing down!"
I truly admire your discussion power, Scott... it is just that I have little respect for such inaptitude.
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...and even no wife... instead - Scott's post on the computer!Pizza with a twist... I buy those for-one small ones, but then cover them *completely* with sliced pepperoni. That makes them moderately enjoyable.
If a wife is the food of love, then my dear you have all my compassion for lacking both of them...
...And a lot of olive oil, and a springle Origan...
...of refining the frozen supermarket pizza.I mean - anyone can make a good dish out of a frech chicken, but try THIS challenge!
What else should I dump (not sprinkle... DUMP!) on it?
Well a frozen pizza will never turn in a beautiful princess.
And it is so easy to make one .From scratch.
But it happen 3 to 4 time a year to put one of this beast in the oven.
I always buy a " bio " one with almost nothing on top, then I add some hot Italian sausage, mushrooms,fresh ham, olives, and Mozarella, Or plain tomato sauce, olives and anchovis...
But nothing taste as one made in the wooden oven with the right wood!
Still no substance from you just personal attacks. Nothing new.
Just what you deserve, Scott, nothing more, nothing less. You make idiotic statements - you take your lumps.
What lumps? You grand stand and offer no substance to support your opinions. Big Deal. Any dork with a computer and an online account can do what you do here. You may be laughing but you are also being laughed at. So what? Fortunately for the rest of us your opinions have no impact on the film world. So feel free to keep spitting in the wind.
Fortunately my opinion does have impact on film world. For some years now I have refused to pay to watch Hollywood films... lesse... several years, perhaps twenty films not watched a year, at probably $18 a pop, say, $10 form that goes to Hollywood, I guess that's maybe $1000 or so.But you are weaseling and changing subject. What on Earth does my impact have to do with your most idiotic discovery that Hollywood is large piece of real estate? Man, that was rich!
Next you even discovered there were some different people living there - well, Scott, time to reread Rabelais - there's a comparable discovery contained therein.
Nope you are inconsequencial to the film world and utterly clueless. Your impact on and knowledge of film go hand in hand. God I hope you are better at building amplifiers.
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***Your impact on and knowledge of film go hand in hand. God I hope you are better at building amplifiers.LOL! Why don't you also kick my dog while you are at it!
I have nothing against your dog. I do apologize. Even though I have never auditioned any of them, I am confident that you are indeed much much better at building amplifiers. I did not mean to disparage your product in any way.
I didn't find it very offensive, more humorous that anything, but I still appreciate your apology - needless to say being in the open (name and all) does invite some nasty comments, and usually without any apology... often quite mean.
***I see no list of anti-Bush pro Kerry movies that you claim are comming out. Figures.You obviously are not all that well informed - you should thank me for giving you this info.
So I am one step ahead of you - I know they are coming, and I heard the titles, but did not write them down, so I guess you will have to do your own legwork... if you do then perhaps you will get knowledgeable enough so we could continue this discussion instead of your usual hot air.
There is no leg work to do. You are making unsupported assertions. Get back to me when you have something of substance to report. Let me know if you ever figure out why your claims are amusingly naive and obviously incorrect. Time for you to do some home work.
Dear Scott, you have constitutional right to remain as ignorant as you wish.
Tell us again what you know about the production of documentary films, oh right you already did when you told us nothing about the subject. Talk about ignorance. Thankfully your impact on the film world is proportional to your knowledge of film production. I'll do the math for you 0=0.
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