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In Reply to: Man, you are shooting from all directions! posted by Victor Khomenko on May 27, 2004 at 18:32:28:
yes, 7.63mmMauser / 7.62mm russian version are powerful rounds. I ahve fired a captured Chicom Tokarev too.JBTW I did a longish Infantry Centre course "Small arms / coaching / marksmanship", and managed to pass on all counts, even with glasses, but only wore the badge on my sleeve, for a year until I left. (Crowned + crossed LE rifles, over L M R P.) Fired a Dshka, and SG42 (Goryunov?) too, and that 14.5mm thing. MG3(MG42-7.62Nato-Brrrriipp), Browning 0.5 M2HB, M1919/.30, FN/MAG, DPM, RPD, L4(Bren), M60 (! PoS),
The PPsh was, considering the muzzle impulse and cyclic rate, a good bit easier to hold on target, for me, than the similar Thompson - box mag version, let alone the TFO (The Famous Owen!?), which was quite violent IIRC, but *.
We found, that by the 1970's at least, all OoS (;-) Owens, had worn barrels / bolts, and weak return springs *, and did NOT hit hard, even for a 9mmPar. gun.
The F1, based on it WAS good, very stable, and it hit hard. But by then you could have a Colt Commando (short Armalite), which was better all round. Except for cleaning it after use, stupid idiots in USAOO who decided to change to US mil. powder, *&^$%$##@@* !
The 100mm divisional gun - 1943 - was known to me, same gun as in Su100, KV100, JSI and maybe even JSII, and T54/5 - with APDS?. But, it is not the one I'm thinking of.Imagine a gun sitting a good bit higher in the cradle, with a somewhat shorter but still longish barrel, (it is Russian after all!), trunnioned pretty close to the breech * , AND two cylinders almost vertical on either side of the barrel, well up above it and forward (of the shield?. Possibly spring/hydraulic balancers for the muzzle preponderance * of the barrel, NOT part of the recoil system at all. Recoil probably moves gun AND cradle.
German 15cm WWII howitzer, and Brit 5.5 gun, had similar.
USSR had LOTS of these right up until Berlin, I think?
122mm gun/howitzer? maybe?
RIAA? email me?
Timbo in Oz
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio Scrounger
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I remember reading about using these in anti-tank role with devastating results... don't know whether true or not.
Known to Ivan the frontovik as "the animal killer".It IS actually a Gun/Howitzer, Ie sufficient MV in direct fire role, at low angles, to have good penetration. Variable charges, and able to elevate well above Gun angles for indirect fire. [Many howitzer's have this ability so few are pure howitzers, eg. the D30 122mm, with its cruciform carriage is both.]
A purer howitzer like the M1943 usually has lower weight and lower range.
Also that long muzzle brake, on the M1937, is indicative of highish MV, one of the few WW11 mediums to have a MB! The Yank 155mm H didn't, nor the GUN (the long-tom), neither of the British mediums did, some later German ones did, but few of them were made, in most cases.
Mediums do often have enough thump to put a heavy shot or AP shell straight through armour. OTOH Mediums can damage or take out tanks from above with air bursts (splinters downwards at HE speed) if time fused. Or, even a direct hit right on top with HE, as this was a particularly accurate medium gun, it's fire coulda been 'walked in', NB all tanks are tin cans on top.
Fire from a medium battery was always a reliable way to slow or stop massed tanks.
I have bookmarked it.
The NVA 122mm I was referring to is the M1938, a good 2000 metres more range than the 105/M2.
careful with the swords mate.
Timbo in Oz
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio Scrounger
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